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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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Usual "nvidia bad!!!!!" posts
Also, rather silly saying nvidia are having a laugh by only upgrading it over the 4080 by "1%!!!!!!" when as we all knew from the get go and even the same people said the same..... the main problem with the 4080 was the price, nvidia have somewhat addressed that (still not what it should be costing i.e. £800) and now it's all about "it's only 1% better!!!!" whilst ignoring it's cheaper and a much better choice than the competiting 7900xtx now unless you have to have 24gb vram and only play cod..... Maybe people were hoping that nvidia would price it at £800 in hope that they could afford a nvidia gpu or hope that it would cause amd to drop the 7900xtx to <£700 so they could buy this instead? The 4080s is aimed at people on older/weaker gpus, not current ada/rdna 3 owners....
I agree the cut down parts is a bit of a joke but is this actually impacting the gpu in real world functioning/performance anyway? If so, what?
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Won't be buying AMD (albeit I did buy AMD with the Legion Go but that is another story) sitting on my 3070 for now as I'm not desperate for anything faster - couple of games I'd like to play at settings/performance where a 4090 would be required but a bit late in the product cycle for dropping that money especially for a couple of games. Hoping to get a decent deal through the work benefits scheme as stuff comes up from time to time - got the Legion Go through a work deal with ~£200 off and been nVidia 4000 series GPUs in the past (could have got a 4080 for £900) but they were Asus ones
(and I wouldn't spend £900 on one anyhow).Honestly feel more and more like finding other interests rather than play nVidia's games.
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Taking the 4090 as a baseline it is 32% faster than a 4080 super and 60% faster than a 4070ti super.
Now comparing those numbers to an ampere 3090 to see where the cards would have fit that into generation performance wise.
It just highlights how much more we are paying for what are really lower classes of GPUs.
RTX 3070 - Medium Die Size: 392mmsq - 55% full die cores - $499
RTX 4080S - Medium Die Size: 379mmsq - 55% full die cores - $999
Yeah Moore's law is definitely dead!
Clearly fleecing as you have not moved to a 40 series GPU yet but seem to scream how good they are while forgetting the cost/value aspect and the clear micky taking they have done with the super cards and especially the 4080 super there is zero reason to defend such a company behaving in this manner.
Expect a 5080 with 10% increase then and pay $1250+ next time then, yes they will raise the prices again and remain on the 103 chips for the 80 class, the 30 series also had an GA103 chip that was meant to be your 3080 but AMD messed that plan up for them and they moved it to GA102 and gave you 10GB VRAM for the planned obsolescence as you know. The real 3080 chip ended up in laptops as 3080Ti chips with 16GB and the same has happened again this gen too the 4090 laptop is AD103 with 16GB and this time called a 90 class laptop part .. raised it one name up but same chip ... where really it should have been called 4080Ti laptop GPU part...
Some people need Nvidia features for a GPU as they are locked into an ecosystem that requires for example CUDA. So no AMD or Intel would not be an alternative for some, but if it was me now buying a GPU for gaming only at 1440p/4K I would get the 7800XT. Only GPU this generation that has any common sense attached to it for the price and the 7900XT needs a price trim to sell well and the 7900XTX well it's their top card so they can call the price shots on that till they don't sell and again trim the price. Also in USA for example you can buy 6950XT for $550 where is that here too ?
Retailers don't want them because they wouldn't sell other GPUs with their high markups on them... We are getting screwed from all directions here in UK from retailers controlling and manipulating the prices and stock of desirable cards that have less of a profit margin on them from last generation as an example, if they had 6950XT here for $550 they would be flying off the selves .. but here we are...
A.I bubble is starting to show it will burst sooner rather than later too so this is why Nvidia is trying to normalise these prices on dGPU because they will need us soon to be their cash cow for their investors
.. Nvidia without A.I / mining sales will be comical but I'm sure they will find another use for GPUs soon that may make them money and give you 1% super card increases again. It's disgusting how little respect they have for their gaming customers now, even compared to how they were before that we all use to complain then about how they are taking us all for a ride with prices and the naming games and the smaller chips sold as the top chips game.. Just go to Reddit and look at the top thread by the Nvidia mod there ..RTX 4080 Super Launch Thread
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Disgusting ... basically create FOMO and good posts only or they get removed if they hint at the reality of what is going on, like the 1% joke on the 4080S.. Seriously .. Then look at some reviews stating editors choice 4080S LOOOOOL and how amazing it had a price drop when the 4080 standard was already selling at them prices as AIBs and less when on sale than the current 4080 super price. Can you really take this company seriously now ?
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Usual defenders of Nvidia posts too.. where I don't understand how you can defend that behaviour ... unless you have some interest in Nvidia that is and I mean not as a customer. Weird really seeing this defence since seeing the 4080 super joke they played. Anyways.... really time to start sticking some on ignore now as the true colours are clear now... and they are green to the bone.Usual "nvidia bad!!!!!" posts
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Yup, but they'd have to use AD102 and it's obvious that they just don't want to (they get gooooooood money for the full chips on the AI side).
Citation needed.A.I bubble is starting to show it will burst sooner rather than later too so this is why Nvidia is trying to normalise these prices on dGPU because they will need us soon to be their cash cow for their investors
From my (admittedly limited) knowledge I'd probably argue the exact opposite. Happy to be proven wrong but from my exposure to work/people covering a lot of 'AI' usage that's the conclusion I've come to.
Meta are planning to have the equivalent of something like 600,000 H100s soon (of that over half are actual H100s)
Then you have AWS, Google and everyone else fighting for chips. AMDs competition to the H100 has it's limitations, the companies planning their own silicon have a long journey ahead of them. AWS came up with their own a while ago but, from anecdotal sources, they still can't get enough of Nvidia's cards.
Us consumers fighting over £800/£1200/£1500 cards, with warranties, retailer margins etc added in are really a drop in the ocean still.
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As I understand it the issue was that Intel's driver team was in Russia when Russia attacked Ukraine so they had to be extracted.
Won't be buying AMD (albeit I did buy AMD with the Legion Go but that is another story) sitting on my 3070 for now as I'm not desperate for anything faster - couple of games I'd like to play at settings/performance where a 4090 would be required but a bit late in the product cycle for dropping that money especially for a couple of games. Hoping to get a decent deal through the work benefits scheme as stuff comes up from time to time - got the Legion Go through a work deal with ~£200 off and been nVidia 4000 series GPUs in the past (could have got a 4080 for £900) but they were Asus ones
Honestly feel more and more like finding other interests rather than play nVidia's games.
Thing is, even whilst it seems expensive, pc gaming is still far cheaper than many other hobbies out there..... I would be tempted by a ps 5 pro as long as every game runs at 60 fps with some decent level of RT but won't happen. 60 fps and higher only seems to be a thing for consoles at the start of their life cycle then end up back to 30 fps.
Clearly fleecing as you have not moved to a 40 series GPU yet but seem to scream how good they are while forgetting the cost/value aspect and the clear micky taking they have done with the super cards and especially the 4080 super there is zero reason to defend such a company behaving in this manner.
Expect a 5080 with 10% increase then and pay $1250+ next time then, yes they will raise the prices again and remain on the 103 chips for the 80 class, the 30 series also had an GA103 chip that was meant to be your 3080 but AMD messed that plan up for them and they moved it to GA102 and gave you 10GB VRAM for the planned obsolescence as you know. The real 3080 chip ended up in laptops as 3080Ti chips with 16GB and the same has happened again this gen too the 4090 laptop is AD103 with 16GB and this time called a 90 class laptop part .. raised it one name up but same chip ... where really it should have been called 4080Ti laptop GPU part...
Some people need Nvidia features for a GPU as they are locked into an ecosystem that requires for example CUDA. So no AMD or Intel would not be an alternative for some, but if it was me now buying a GPU for gaming only at 1440p/4K I would get the 7800XT. Only GPU this generation that has any common sense attached to it for the price and the 7900XT needs a price trim to sell well and the 7900XTX well it's their top card so they can call the price shots on that till they don't sell and again trim the price. Also in USA for example you can buy 6950XT for $550 where is that here too ?
Retailers don't want them because they wouldn't sell other GPUs with their high markups on them... We are getting screwed from all directions here in UK from retailers controlling and manipulating the prices and stock of desirable cards that have less of a profit margin on them from last generation as an example, if they had 6950XT here for $550 they would be flying off the selves .. but here we are...
A.I bubble is starting to show it will burst sooner rather than later too so this is why Nvidia is trying to normalise these prices on dGPU because they will need us soon to be their cash cow for their investors
Disgusting ... basically create FOMO and good posts only or they get removed if they hint at the reality of what is going on, like the 1% joke on the 4080S.. Seriously .. Then look at some reviews stating editors choice 4080S LOOOOOL and how amazing it had a price drop when the 4080 standard was already selling at them prices as AIBs and less when on sale than the current 4080 super price. Can you really take this company seriously now ?
So in short, you hate capitalism, good to know.
Yes screaming......
Also, no offence but quite ironic coming from you given the "value" of a 3090, rated the worst value gpu
Where did the value judgement sense go for that purchase*? *yes i know, work reasons
Don't think anyone is defending them but the point is, what choice do people have if they want to upgrade now? Buy a 7900xtx instead for similar price even though you are missing out on a lot of features, yes some people may not use RT, cuda, the rtx features but the point is, you're paying the same thing for getting less..... Again, the gpu is not really aimed at people with still decent gpus but those who are on older/weaker gpus.
AI bubble won't burst the way you think it will, the companies that are starting up and building products with AI may go bust due to the infrastructure costs and struggling to gain income/profit. Again, people need to stop looking at AI as being a way to boost profit but rather a way of cutting costs i.e. improving efficiency and productiveness of employees and speeding up their workflow or/and being able to lay of people, people are the biggest cost for any company so if ai based products/workflows can reduce the staff count, it isn't going anywhere. We will see some dips but it'll level of and probably go back up again. Infrastucture costs will come down with improvement in tech as well as improving efficiency (we're still at the start of ai journey). One of our internal developed products using AI has basically taken on the role of 50 people and it only costs £900-1000 (for 3 environments, dev, stage and prod) to run a month, that's a considerable saving being made there and not to mention all the other benefits it brings with better/more accurate work being done.
See above post.
No defence, I just don't care enough as it won't change, only way it will change is:
- to get out of pc gaming
- wait for intel/amd to compete or slash their prices and force nvidia to slash prices (As you said yourself, look at what happened with rdna 2 and ampere)
Again, what do you suggest people do?
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£1,350 for a 4080 super!!
Buy AMD!! Send Nvidia a message and hopefully they receive it for next gen so he can buy a 5090?
Also, such enterpise companies also get big discounts too including enterpise level companies getting discounts via GCP, azure and AWS.
It is all relative - I wouldn't spend over the odds on other hobbies either and some I do are far more expensive than PC gaming...
I what sometimes get missed is that just because people think Nvidia's marketing tactics are bad it doesn't automatically make AMD good, or "better value". Nvidia have pushed the pricing and AMD have ridden on their coat-tails. They can both do one as far as I'm concerned until they offer better value.
Having more disposable income also doesn't make them any better value, it just means you don't care as much about the cost.
Having more disposable income also doesn't make them any better value, it just means you don't care as much about the cost.
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Guessing you don't watch the tech news.
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I do, kinda.
Blanket saying any company who has an interest/use for AI and whose stock went down is "AI stocks falling" seems a bit disengenuous.