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NVIDIA 4000 Series

RavenXXX2 said:
Nvidia leave very little room for aib to make a profit at msrp, hence £1000+ is the majority of cards. Why do you think EVGA jumped ship.
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Most of the vanilla 4080 cards were at or under the MSRP though yet most of the 4080 supers are well above MSRP so there is basically no change in the pricing.

Surely Nvidia are doing a cheaper BOM for the supers.
 
4080 Super - 95-110fps - Alan Wake RT (Very High/Max)
3070 ti OC - 50-70 - Alan Wake RT ( low/Medium )

Alan Wake was unplayable with raytracing, needed the FG mod, but even then not fun! - Now it's perfectly playable.

Vsync/Gsync isn't working for some reason in just Battlefield 2042 though, keeps going up to 185fps haha
 
So as per the 30xx series, the only ones to blame for overpaying are the customers then?

I don't remember ever seeing a normal 4080 brand new (a decent model or the fe) for £950.
 
BeadyRoller said:
Is 4090 overkill though for my monitor? I'm only on 1440p and 144hz? I'm tempted to just go for the 4090 tbf as that would last me so long it's worth the investment.
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Depends what you're playing. Newer titles with RT and everything enabled will easily stretch a 4090's legs even at 1440p, such as Cyberpunk, Dying Light 2, Alan Wake 2, F1 23, Avatar: Frontiers, Control, A Plague Tale: Requiem, Returnal.
 
Nexus18 said:
So as per the 30xx series, the only ones to blame for overpaying are the customers then?

I don't remember ever seeing a normal 4080 brand new (a decent model or the fe) for £950.
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I didnt see any either, the cheapest I saw were those 4 base models at OCUK for £999.99 a of couple weeks ago. Then they quickly disappeared.

Average price was around £1100, more for the fancy models. So there is a discount of £100 to £150 minimum.
 
Joxeon said:
Even if the 5090 is only 40% faster than a 4090 that will make it twice as fast as a 4080 and 3x as fast as my 3080, so that's the upgrade I'm waiting for if I'm going to have to pay big bucks.
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It's still a matter of price because if it's 40% faster but 60% more expensive and 4090 is still good enough in games (over 100fps in 3440x1440p for me) then I have 0 incentive to upgrade. 40% for same price and we can think about it. Also, 40% in what exactly? RT still puts big load on the CPU and unless they get better ideas for how to accelerate it more in the GPU, I don't see how it could be 40% faster in that. Raster already seems faster than really needed, especially if one adds DLSS to the equation.
 
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mrk said:
You have joined the circle of the awakened now and you are seeing what we have seen for a bit now :p Ok I had a 3080 Ti before but this is on a whole other level :cool:
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Quite a few times I had the feeling I really have too fast GPU for my own needs - never happened before. :) before that RTX3080 12GB and RX6800 XT.
 
Tinek said:
It's still a matter of price because if it's 40% faster but 60% more expensive and 4090 is still good enough in games (over 100fps in 3440x1440p for me) then I have 0 incentive to upgrade. 40% for same price and we can think about it. Also, 40% in what exactly? RT still puts big load on the CPU and unless they get better ideas for how to accelerate it more in the GPU, I don't see how it could be 40% faster in that. Raster already seems faster than really needed, especially if one adds DLSS to the equation.
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We’ll have new CPUs out by then and maybe they will have new killer feature which uses AI to reduce cpu load, Nvidia knows if they want to get the big spending 4090 owners to upgrade again they need to have something good in store.
 
Joxeon said:
We’ll have new CPUs out by then and maybe they will have new killer feature which uses AI to reduce cpu load, Nvidia knows if they want to get the big spending 4090 owners to upgrade again they need to have something good in store.
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Well, my 5800x3d could use an upgrade later this year indeed:) mostly because I want to play with ddr5 and have some ecc. Each time some random and rare instability happens I always suspect cosmic rays flipping memory bits and ecc would be nice to have. As silly as that sounds :) That said, it feels like there's not a huge progress in CPUs happening anymore and it will likely take years for the ai accelerators in these to be used properly by games.
 
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cyclonus10 said:
Surely this is sarcasm?
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If people are paying those prices, that's their fault. The ones who are whinging about prices now are the ones who bought titans, 3090s and overpaid for 3080s etc. We're in this situation because people didn't vote with their wallet back then, people voted with their wallet this time by not getting the 4080 hence why they released basically the same gpu but for cheaper now.

More people need to vote with their wallet, that or go blame amd for not competing well enough in order to force nvidia to lower prices even further but as shown, they're too busy enjoying the extra profit too.

Like I said, only way to win at this game is not to buy anything in pc space and move back to console.

The fact that the people who are going on about how bad nvidia and their prices are, are still not moving to a rdna 2/rdna 3 gpu says it all.
 
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If the 5090 is 25-30% faster than 4090, I can see most owners upgrading, including the 'AI' people. 240hz 4k OLED will drive some sales.

Any faster than that, and it will be out of stock and scalped, regardless of price :(
 
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Tinek said:
Quite a few times I had the feeling I really have too fast GPU for my own needs - never happened before. :) before that RTX3080 12GB and RX6800 XT.
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You say that but in the big picture the 4090 is not much faster in todays games than the 3090 was back in 2021 in the latest games of that era, more worrying though is cards like the 4080/S are actually slower now than a 3080 was during its era.

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Joxeon said:
You say that but in the big picture the 4090 is not much faster in todays games than the 3090 was back in 2021 in the latest games of that era, more worrying though is cards like the 4080/S are actually slower now than a 3080 was during its era.
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Hence I said "for my own needs" - a lot of new games that require fast GPU are just not the games I want to play (various reasons, mostly they just suck IMO). But objectively speaking, GPUs speed isn't growing as fast as games require, same with CPUs lately, it seems. I blame corpos squeezing monies out of games as much as possible, with no wait for any optimisation etc. so we get mostly copy/paste code all over the place and then games work and look like they do (recent example Starfield). UE5 games look fine but that engine is still new and many devs do not know how to optimise in it well, yet. Hence, it's an FPS killer even for 4090.
 
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