Cex is earning money on that business so it's not that these cards will find a buyer for that price.
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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Caporegime
Right now CEX are selling 7800XT's for more than OCUK. Used 7800XT's for those who might not know....
Ofc
I only found out about it by chance as he was one of my brothers mates, he’s doing an all white system so it’s now surplus to requirements.
Going to pick it up this weekend.
Lucky, then!
Soldato
Managed to get someone to send me a picture of card details so all good, did not know that about the URL though. And it was actually through the company that rhymes with spam
My mind is blown actually, from both 4070S FE and 4080S FE being available. Two best cooler/price combos at this point, genuinely tempting buy even if I don't need an upgrade
Either stock is really high, which I doubt. Or demand is REALLY low
Either stock is really high, which I doubt. Or demand is REALLY low
Associate
Ah well I just did it, 4080S FE ordered. That's me sorted till 6x series 
Caporegime
Prices aren't bad and i do like the FE coolers, but it is a bit of a stab in the eye for Nvidia's partners.
I still think the 4070 / Super is too expensive, the 4070 none Super is £50 more than the 7800XT and the Super £100 more.
Caporegime
The world is very much poorer now than it was 3 years ago.
Over priced hardware is not as popular as it once was.
Over priced hardware is not as popular as it once was.
No, it was a £1200 card on release. Dreaming about what you think it should have cost is irrelevant.
It offers 75% of the performance of a 4090 for 60% of the cost. Seems reasonable value to me, at least within the context of other 40-series cards.
Soldato
This.
NV has all the data from 30 series sales, they know 3070s sold for over £900, 10gb 3080s went at £1500+ at retail, they want as much of that extra scalped cash as they can get.
Problem they have is there's no lockdown or mining this gen and the majority that bought through COVID/mining are not upgraders.
Problem we have though is NV probably only need to sell (for example) 2 GPUs at the higher pricing to create the same profit as 3 GPUs would make at the lower price.
AMD are copying NV's lead except they're just as overpriced as well but on lower pp's.
Soldato
Clearly the market disagrees with you as it's been relaunched 100% due to crap sales.
Btw, you used to get new gen increases of 50 to 100% at the same pp of the outgoing series.
No, we didn't.
980 -> 1080: 51% perf increase for 9% more money (38% FPS/$ increase)
1080 -> 2080: 39% perf increase for 17% more money (19%)
2080 -> 3080: 63% perf increase for same money (63%)
3080 -> 4080S: 49% perf increase for 43% more money (4%)
(TPU figures, USD MSRPs)
Yes, the 4080 looks crap but only because of the 3080 which offered a big boost but at an MSRP that was virtually unachievable.
If we change the MSRP of the 3080 from $699 to $849, which is a far more realistic value, then it looks like this:
980 -> 1080: 51% perf increase for 9% more money (38% FPS/$ increase)
1080 -> 2080: 39% perf increase for 17% more money (19%)
2080 -> 3080: 63% perf increase for 21% more money (35%)
3080 -> 4080S: 49% perf increase for 18% more money (26%)
Basically it's the 3080 that makes the 4080 look crap because it was too good/cheap.
You can see the same thing with the 1080Ti, a card that was also too good:
1080Ti -> 2080Ti: 31% perf increase for 43% more money (8% FPS/$ reduction)
Unless people have access to sales/inventory data people can only guess which is fine but what some people are doing drawing conclusions on not having all of the information and constantly trying to present them as reasons why xxx card(s) is not selling.
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Associate
The 4070s founders edition is getting seriously tempting the longer it's in stock for me, but funnily enough the normal 4070 now out of stock.
Over a year into the product cycle...
Also 1080 -> 2080 is somewhat of an aberration - historically gains have been bigger than that generation change.
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Yeah that entire post is cherry picking to fit the desired outcome. 3080 unobtainable at msrp(altough lots of people got it) but 4080 1200 msrp ignored.