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NVIDIA 4000 Series

I wonder if, when Bad Company 2 was released, there were people looking back and saying, "Donkey Kong, that was a game". :p :p :p

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Grim5 said:
Ain't that so true

It's 2024 and games still ship with pathetic physics compared to what games from 2010 had

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I was one of the first people to test the Aegia physX card publicly back in 2006, my test ended up causing quite a stir, it was quoted on a lot of tech news sites back then and the card ultimately ended up dead on arrival, sad really as at the time it was highly anticipated and we was hoping it would usher in a new generation of physics in games.
 
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Nexus18 said:
I didn't like physx at all for this reason especially since it was locked purely to nvidia. Physx was in very few games too, IIRC, the main showcase for it was the batman games.

I also miss the days of proper destruction i.e. bc 2, red faction guerilla but with raster lighting etc. this really was very time consuming to do and very static looking in a lot of ways, at least when games start to use RT/PT more, we should start to see this level of destruction come back again and look much better/realistic, at least in larger scale/open worlds anyway.
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BC2 used prebacked physics, meaning everything got destroyed in pretty much the same way. Newer games improved on that, but it just got the destroyed parts into smaller sizes, it didn't go Red Faction. I'm not sure I'll take that as physics... ArmA 3 uses something similar, but less fancy.

PhysX's problem was that it wasn't properly pushed. Fluid dynamics was already in Stalker via DX10 I believe, so doing that with PhysX in order to show something new and wow wasn't really the best idea. Havok was great for the rest of the stuff...

As a side note, is funny to see Alan Wake with a wider FoV where you see his foot and how he just "skates" or "flotes" on the top of the ground since the entire body is not animated as it should.

PS: don't forget about the DMM (Digital Molecular Matter). Combined with Euphoria it should have been epic!

Anyway, probably the most advanced engine to date when it comes to gameplay elements and physics as a whole.
 
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Grim5 said:
Even before physx there were games with better destruction


Even in multiplayer, battlefield bad company 2 has better physics than any recent battlefield game and did not use physx
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Few games have used PhysX even close to its potential.

The lack of innovation in physics, sound and AI constantly leaves me underwhelmed with games these days.
 
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Purgatory said:


Desperation kicking in clearly now sales have crashed. What a joke of a video and using titles optimised for the 4000 series and FAKE FRAMES 3.. How low they have become. :rolleyes:
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Share price is a little bit more than 4x what it was in November 2022, I'm sure they're pretty desperate :)))

Rroff said:
Few games have used PhysX even close to its potential.

The lack of innovation in physics, sound and AI constantly leaves me underwhelmed with games these days.
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Yeah, especially when you see some nice tech from demoed from a "nobody" on YouTube, but large studios are unable to launch something decent!
 
Funny to say they are desperate for rtx4070 sales when 90% of Nvidia's revenue is now from AI. The GeForce marketing team is trying to justify their jobs at this stage. There may be staff inside GeForce that are desperate to save their job, but I don't think Jensen or Nvidia as a company is desperate

I know people like to dunk on AMD and claim AMD is going to quit the gaming GPU market, but if this AI thing continues then it's more likely Nvidia will be the first to quit not AMD
 
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von Humboldt said:
I'm not at all tech savvy, so this might be a dumb question... Could the likes of physics be improved with machine learning?
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Most likely yes, BUT you also need the devs wanting to have that in their games.
In a way, considering DLSS is freeing resources - by doing more starting from less, you could already have hardware "free" to do physics on it. If you want to do it.

Below is a nice video going a bit into Sora and how it learns to simulate worlds (hello Matrix!), including (obviously) from a physics perspective. There are already models (previous to Sora), where AIs/NPCs learn to walk, fight, etc. A lot is possible. I'd say that in about 5-10 years we could make a game as easy as we use ChatGPT now.



LE: https://twitter.com/DrJimFan/status/1758549500585808071
I see some vocal objections: "Sora is not learning physics, it's just manipulating pixels in 2D".I respectfully disagree with this reductionist view. It's similar to saying "GPT-4 doesn't learn coding, it's just sampling strings". Well, what transformers do is just manipulating a sequence of integers (token IDs). What neural networks do is just manipulating floating numbers. That's not the right argument.Sora's soft physics simulation is an *emergent property* as you scale up text2video training massively.
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Purgatory said:
That's due to AI sales not gaming gpus.
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Exactly! How much AMD cares about its gaming GPU division? At this point gaming GPUs are here simply because they bring some extra profits, but aren't their main thing. Ergo, I don't think they're desperate. Faaaar from it.

Grim5 said:
Funny to say they are desperate for rtx4070 sales when 90% of Nvidia's revenue is now from AI. The GeForce marketing team is trying to justify their jobs at this stage
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Indeed. Even so, if AMD doesn't start getting serious about this, they'll probably leave the market willingly :))
 
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Grim5 said:
Funny to say they are desperate for rtx4070 sales when 90% of Nvidia's revenue is now from AI. The GeForce marketing team is trying to justify their jobs at this stage. There may be staff inside GeForce that are desperate to save their job, but I don't think Jensen or Nvidia as a company is desperate

I know people like to dunk on AMD and claim AMD is going to quit the gaming GPU market, but if this AI thing continues then it's more likely Nvidia will be the first to quit not AMD
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Calin Banc said:
Exactly! How much AMD cares about its gaming GPU division? At this point gaming GPUs are here simply because they bring some extra profits, but aren't their main thing. Ergo, I don't think they're desperate. Faaaar from it.
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Desperate as in they can't move the stock they manufactured and will end up collecting dust or end up in landfill so they can sell their 5000 series or they will do what they did with 4000 series and have lots of 3000 stock and sell them at same or higher price and then raise the 5000 series to even more stupid prices.

We will have to see but Nvidia pulling such stunts says a lot. Nvidia does care about moving these stocks as they cost money to store for them and their AIBs. Or they will just make sure 5000 series comes out once stocks of 4000 are low enough so means they will get released later and later but I doubt it they will pull what they did with the 4000 series and keep the 3000 at silly prices instead of cutting the prices of the real stock they have and not the stock that went out of stock but magically was only ones getting price cuts apart from the odd 3090ti that could be found for £1150 that no one wanted with it's 450w power use and the silly power connector then too and even then wasn't many of them left it was the midrange they had lots off and 3080 12GB at one point that magically appeared after all the 3080ti's sold out. Not looking forward to the games they will play if they don't shift this 4000 series stock before 5000 series.
 
Nvidia must know there are problems with sales otherwise they wouldn't have bothered making an RTX4000 Super series. That refresh would have been initiated(or at least allowed) by JHH as CEO because it involves spending more money. Then to make a cringe video indicates that despite this, the people at the top of Nvidia are concerned sales are not good enough,so are pushing marketing to do something about it.
 
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Calin Banc said:
Share price is a little bit more than 4x what it was in November 2022, I'm sure they're pretty desperate :)))
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And since when is 4x enough? There are investors that got in late and infinite growth is the only way capitalism works.

I read an article yesterday that there are signs Nvidia's AI boom has peaked which is starting to make investors nervous. Truly hilarious **** in this clown world.
 
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And since when is 4x enough? There are investors that got in late and infinite growth is the only way capitalism works.

I read an article yesterday that there are signs Nvidia's AI boom has peaked which is starting to make investors nervous. Truly hilarious **** in this clown world.
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Infinite growth in a finite market. The investors are expecting that level of growth for the immediate future. Hence,if gaming is not doing so well,then it means it is holding back even more potential revenue.
 
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