Soldato
Honestly I've been considering just getting a laptop for my music collection, Emails, Documents and a PS5 Pro with a few games when that comes out as I'm getting pretty fed up with the ever rising prices.
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Honestly I've been considering just getting a laptop for my music collection, Emails, Documents and a PS5 Pro with a few games when that comes out as I'm getting pretty fed up with the ever rising prices.
I ain't paying for it. If I did it would only be sold a year later before it lost much value. Silly price really. But yeah many will pay.
Are Nvidia trying to price themselves out of the market?
At the rate Nvidia are raising prices it will be a case of just buying the card that gets the job done, at an affordable price, which should be Intel or AMD, and Intel looks to be the the increasingly better bet.
At the rate Nvidia are raising prices it will be a case of just buying the card that gets the job done, at an affordable price, which should be Intel or AMD, and Intel looks to be the the increasingly better bet.
Surely this is just Nvidia gradually aligning their consumer product prices with their professional? Every price increase previously has been met with increased sales, so why would Nvidia not continue to keep raising prices as consumers are only happy to oblige so far.
From a commercial aspect their consumer products are also reducing capacity for more profitable products elsewhere. Continued increases should reduce demand whilst still ensuring profits from declining consumer sales. With their primary focus on AI this is win-win for Nvidia, not so much for us who want affordable GPUs.
From a commercial aspect their consumer products are also reducing capacity for more profitable products elsewhere. Continued increases should reduce demand whilst still ensuring profits from declining consumer sales. With their primary focus on AI this is win-win for Nvidia, not so much for us who want affordable GPUs.
That is one way they can shift focus rather than just abandoning the consumer segment and leaving it to AMD. For those who really must have Nvidia then there is geforce now or continue to pay the increasing premium.
I find it hard to believe Intel will be the saviour either via either affordable prices or power efficiency once they have a decent GPU.
We had our chance with AMD on the affordability front which didn't increase market share for them. Now they are just aping Nvidia on the GPU by pricing parts slightly lower with a decreased feature set. Maybe the rumoured more affordable RX8xxx GPUs will cause enough disruption to slow things down.
Man of Honour
They are slowly shifting away from targeting casual gamers to professional use and as the pro cards now offer top end gaming performance, and that NV already know people will spend high 4 figures on literally anything as they tested the waters with Titans and 3090s back in the day, and the dozen people that bought a 4080 
Everything is focused on AI now and how these GPUs can accelerate large generative AI tasks, and as it just so happens, they play games better than anything else in the process lol.
How has the rumour also now gone to 70% perf uplift for the 5090? previously it was a wide ranging 35% to 60% if I recall, now it's a fixed 70%? Can you imagine the power requirements for that sort of uplift? And then there's the price....
AMD don't seem interested in high end because they are 2 generations behind NV, and NV aren't interested in the low/mid end because their high end is so far ahead and gamers will pay for them.
So we are left with an area of the market that is ripe for the taking by Intel but Intel are still having a battle at improving their drivers and not releasing cards for this segment quick enough.
Everything is focused on AI now and how these GPUs can accelerate large generative AI tasks, and as it just so happens, they play games better than anything else in the process lol.
How has the rumour also now gone to 70% perf uplift for the 5090? previously it was a wide ranging 35% to 60% if I recall, now it's a fixed 70%? Can you imagine the power requirements for that sort of uplift? And then there's the price....
AMD don't seem interested in high end because they are 2 generations behind NV, and NV aren't interested in the low/mid end because their high end is so far ahead and gamers will pay for them.
So we are left with an area of the market that is ripe for the taking by Intel but Intel are still having a battle at improving their drivers and not releasing cards for this segment quick enough.
They are slowly shifting away from targeting casual gamers to professional use and as the pro cards now offer top end gaming performance, and that NV already know people will spend high 4 figures on literally anything as they tested the waters with Titans and 3090s back in the day, and the dozen people that bought a 4080
Everything is focused on AI now and how these GPUs can accelerate large generative AI tasks, and as it just so happens, they play games better than anything else in the process lol.
How has the rumour also now gone to 70% perf uplift for the 5090? previously it was a wide ranging 35% to 60% if I recall, now it's a fixed 70%? Can you imagine the power requirements for that sort of uplift? And then there's the price....
AMD don't seem interested in high end because they are 2 generations behind NV, and NV aren't interested in the low/mid end because their high end is so far ahead and gamers will pay for them.
So we are left with an area of the market that is ripe for the taking by Intel but Intel are still having a battle at improving their drivers and not releasing cards for this segment quick enough.
I would PML if it was 70% over even above 50% to be honest
Intel have a way to go but it cannot be denied, on the drivers side, they are steadily improving and making ARC better on each driver release.
In many ways the hardware is the easy part for GPUs, it's the software that is the hard part.
Soldato
They know their frothing at the mouth fan base will pay anything, They could charge £3000 for the 5090, £2500 for the 5080 and £2000 for the 5070 and Nvidia uber fans would lap it up.
True but that hardcore base is small with most buying Nvidia because they are still able afford to do so, just.
Even for the hardcore Nvidia fans there will come a point where the price just becomes to high and will look elsewhere.
Soldato
I'm a fan of Nvidia's tech but the 4090 FE price is my absolute limit and I had to do some serious mental gymnastics to justify it to myself. Any more and it's a hard no and Hello AMD/Intel.
I would just keep what I have and consider going steam deck 2 only route if that happened.
With the amount of gaming time I get these days my steam deck is enough. I would prefer desktop OLED gaming. But not at those prices.
Man of Honour
EVen £1600 for a 4090 was too much, its rrp right now is still too much. The reason many got a 4090 was because of high resale value for the previous cards. I got over £720 for my 3080 Ti which made the 4090 price much more reasonable, and then 20% VAT back as it's on the books. Otherwise would I have got an AIB 4090? Definitely not.
Where there is cashback/discounts to be had for top end stuff, I'm all onboard for that. Can't see the same happening for a 5090 given what appears to be a +£1000 price hike on one vs a 4090.
Where there is cashback/discounts to be had for top end stuff, I'm all onboard for that. Can't see the same happening for a 5090 given what appears to be a +£1000 price hike on one vs a 4090.
Soldato
You know you will eventually break and get a 5090 if under 2K
I have a girlfriend now, With the way things are going, Very well, Another year or so and marriage will be a topic followed by kids so silly high priced GPU's going forward are a no go.
Soldato
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Nah, you lot would pay £3000, stop denying it.
My 4090 costs a bit less than the rest of the build if peripherals are excluded and much less if peripherals are included
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