NVIDIA 4000 Series

Tinek · 2 Mar 2024 at 09:39

Grim5 said:
At $825, Nvidias shares hit a new record and a new ranking in market cap - Nvidia is now the 3rd largest company in the world, valued at $2 trillion

All of that thanks to ai, not gaming. Connect it with Nvidia CEO saying they have already sold out all future production and have huge queues of enterprise waiting to get their ordered GPUs. Effect? One can only imagine how that will influence their gaming products with pricing and availability.

Tinek · 2 Mar 2024 at 09:52

rare said:
While this is obviously true to an extent, their core business are still all GPU based though.

Their core products do not even have monitor outputs nor were designed to run games on them, though. GPUs, after all, are just very fast parallel maths crunching chips - and that's all they really do. Which is also why gamers can always get some scraps of off the fancy AI table, cut down and sold as gaming cards, plus now and then some fancy ai tech too. But gaming for few years now has not been a primary target of Nvidia and currently it's a miniscule target. Where producing capacities are very limited, I'd expect high prices (even if MSRP might be ok-ish) and very low supply in the future.

Tinek · 2 Mar 2024 at 09:56

Nexus18 said:
An afterthought and yet they are still releasing improvements and new features more than anyone else in the gaming dgpu space....

All of that is just byproduct of their enterprise development. Which means it cost them very little to adopt for gaming. I wouldn't worry about the software part, it's the pricing and availablity of new products I would be worried about. Fabs have very limited production capability and if Nvidia can sell 1 gpu to enterprise for 10x+ the price with almost unlimited demand Vs selling it to a gamer who will still complain and demand for high prices is low... Sufficient to say they know what they are doing and crypto craze already shown us who they prefer to sell GPUs to.

tommybhoy · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:19

Tinek said:
Sufficient to say they know what they are doing and crypto craze already shown us who they prefer to sell GPUs to.

Tiny Corp. Builds AI Platform with Six AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX GPUs

Tiny Corp., a neural network framework specialist, has revealed intimate details about the ongoing development and building of its "tinybox" system: "I don't think there's much value in secrecy. We have the parts to build 12 boxes and a case that's pretty close to final. Beating back all the...

www.techpowerup.com

They've already sold 583 units, almost 3,500 pre orders of 79 XTX's have been 'sourced' to Tiny Corp.

The Tiny Corp. social media picture feed indicates that they have acquired a pile of XFX Speedster MERC310 RX 7900 XTX graphics cards—six units are hooked up inside of each TinyBox system.

Tinek · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:23

tommybhoy said:
Tiny Corp. Builds AI Platform with Six AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX GPUs

Tiny Corp., a neural network framework specialist, has revealed intimate details about the ongoing development and building of its "tinybox" system: "I don't think there's much value in secrecy. We have the parts to build 12 boxes and a case that's pretty close to final. Beating back all the...

www.techpowerup.com

They've already sold 583 units, almost 3,500 pre orders of 79 XTX's have been 'sourced' to Tiny Corp.

The difference between crypto craze and AI gold rush now is that crypto is still very niche thing with questionable usage and future. AI is here to stay and will only get more used with time. Which means anything that can be used for ai will be, if the dedicated hardware can't be purchased - irrelevant of brand.

Nexus18 · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:25

Tinek said:
All of that is just byproduct of their enterprise development. Which means it cost them very little to adopt for gaming. I wouldn't worry about the software part, it's the pricing and availablity of new products I would be worried about. Fabs have very limited production capability and if Nvidia can sell 1 gpu to enterprise for 10x+ the price with almost unlimited demand Vs selling it to a gamer who will still complain and demand for high prices is low... Sufficient to say they know what they are doing and crypto craze already shown us who they prefer to sell GPUs to.

That may well be the case and I don't disagree, after all, enterprise level will always beat one of sales to gamers but they are still providing for pc gamers far more than the competition, dare I say probably more than they have ever before at least on the innovation, feature and software front.

Tinek · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:33

Nexus18 said:
That may well be the case and I don't disagree, after all, enterprise level will always beat one of sales to gamers but they are still providing for pc gamers far more than the competition, dare I say probably more than they have ever before at least on the innovation, feature and software front.

Nvidia has only GPUs to build, AMD in comparison has CPUs and GPUs, where they make much more money on CPUs - hence the focus is there, with coming CPUs having AI modules etc. Said AI acceleration in CPUs could do a lot of good for gaming, where gaming GPUs still barely use any tensor cores (DLSS and the like use only a small portion of these) - I'm thinking ai based dialogs, characters, maybe physics etc. things that GPUs do not calculate but CPUs do.

In the end, everything corporations do is about money. True AI craze has just began so we will see this and next year how that will really influence things and that gamers will really get out of it all.

Nexus18 · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:38

Tinek said:
Nvidia has only GPUs to build, AMD in comparison has CPUs and GPUs, where they make much more money on CPUs - hence the focus is there, with coming CPUs having AI modules etc. Said AI acceleration in CPUs could do a lot of good for gaming, where gaming GPUs still barely use any tensor cores (DLSS and the like use only a small portion of these) - I'm thinking ai based dialogs, characters, maybe physics etc. things that GPUs do not calculate but CPUs do.

In the end, everything corporations do is about money. True AI craze has just began so we will see this and next year how that will really influence things and that gamers will really get out of it all.

Completely agree, sure just look at when it comes to nvidia and amds live events/shows, nvidia are far more focussed on pc gaming where as with amd, pc gaming gets a tiny amount of time, most of their talk is on other sectors.

I do think we are going to see a considerable shift to AI workloads for games and nvidia will be pushing it from their end too but this will take more time given how long games take to make and arguably being more complex in the sense, there is a lot more moving parts in terms of people/teams involved.

gpuerrilla · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:39

tommybhoy said:
They've already sold 583 units, almost 3,500 pre orders of 79 XTX's have been 'sourced' to Tiny Corp.

Tinek said:
The difference between crypto craze and AI gold rush now is that crypto is still very niche thing with questionable usage and future. AI is here to stay and will only get more used with time. Which means anything that can be used for ai will be, if the dedicated hardware can't be purchased - irrelevant of brand.

Gamers take a long time to digest. The add in cards, expansion boards etc have been done for decades and why its always multi purpose cases, not shocking really.

Kelt · 2 Mar 2024 at 10:48

Tinek said:
All of that thanks to ai, not gaming. Connect it with Nvidia CEO saying they have already sold out all future production and have huge queues of enterprise waiting to get their ordered GPUs. Effect? One can only imagine how that will influence their gaming products with pricing and availability.

Yep, we screwed.

Author_25 · 2 Mar 2024 at 15:18

nomadd said:
Clearly the 50 series are modelled after Jensen's oven.

More likely his Wallet.

chaparral · 3 Mar 2024 at 12:20

gpuerrilla said:
The only time I can see it mattering is if a new locked feature ships that only the latest gen can utilise. At this point nobody knows what features the 50 series is bringing.

The one thing i can see the new highend 5000 series having over the 4000 series is a Displayport 2.1 output & PCI Express 5.0

Sin_Chase · 3 Mar 2024 at 13:33

chaparral said:
The one thing i can see the new highend 5000 series having over the 4000 series is a Displayport 2.1 output & PCI Express 5.0

And the PCI-E 5.0 part of that isnt likely to yield any tangible benefit!

I'm looking to upgrade from a 2080 but the 4090 is too expensive and I'd rather not touch anything with a 12VHPW Connecter. That leaves the supers with the new 12V-2x6 but they just aren't that compelling. Waterblock availability for the supers also looks pretty poor!

Raelgun · 3 Mar 2024 at 13:40

Sin_Chase said:
And the PCI-E 5.0 part of that isnt likely to yield any tangible benefit!

Mean for out right performance yes. But for pci express lane budgeting it's great.

Means more nvme ssds, better quality capture cards and usb cards or thunderbolt cards.

Or a 2nd GPU and all of that installed.

Author_25 · 4 Mar 2024 at 08:28

Rumour has it the 70% performance improvement, for the 5090, will see a hefty price increase, with the price increasing to between $1999 to $2499.

HRL · 4 Mar 2024 at 09:04

Author_25 said:
Rumour has it the 70% performance improvement, for the 5090, will see a hefty price increase, with the price increasing to between $1999 to $2499.

Then they can keep them on their shelves.

4090FE was pretty much my limit TBH, and the price of that annoyed me. Got money put aside for my next few builds already but I’d rather burn the cash myself than pay $2499!

TNA · 4 Mar 2024 at 09:06

Author_25 said:
Rumour has it the 70% performance improvement, for the 5090, will see a hefty price increase, with the price increasing to between $1999 to $2499.

If true RIP 4090 :cry:

uroboros · 4 Mar 2024 at 09:45

TNA said:
If true RIP 4090

You say that but Nvidia are still searching for the ceiling and I don't think we are there yet.
My arbitrary limit is about £500 so I was out a long time ago for anything remotely highend.
If anyone can justify paying up to £2k for a GPU then another £500 on top is nothing really. When GPUs are in the realm of second hand car prices already, an extra £500 seems a strange hill to die on.

Dicehunter · 4 Mar 2024 at 10:15

Author_25 said:
Rumour has it the 70% performance improvement, for the 5090, will see a hefty price increase, with the price increasing to between $1999 to $2499.

That will likely translate directly into £1999-£2499, If that is the case then the 4090, Which I paid £1575 for which I'm already kicking myself for, Is my last Nvidia product and I will go over to AMD's next series or even Intels next series. Sorry but I cannot support such chronic greed.

BS Dave · 4 Mar 2024 at 10:24

Dicehunter said:
That will likely translate directly into £1999-£2499, If that is the case then the 4090, Which I paid £1575 for which I'm already kicking myself for, Is my last Nvidia product and I will go over to AMD's next series or even Intels next series. Sorry but I cannot support such chronic greed.

I was reading about the quality of the games on Playstation from their 1st party studios and comparing that to the new Forza and Starfield, and it just made me think get a PS5 Pro and keep my 3080 for Indie games.