NVIDIA 4000 Series

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:20

Not a chance, 4090 will also be aimed at professional use cases, which is where nvidia dominate and those people who have professional use case scenarios are far more likely to buy the 3090/4090 over gamers. Gamers, especially casual end will be targeting the 4060-4080 range.

Journey · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:22

Nexus18 said:
Not a chance, 4090 will also be aimed at professional use cases, which is where nvidia dominate and those people who have professional use case scenarios are far more likely to buy the 3090/4090 over gamers. Gamers, especially casual/low end will be targeting the 4060-4080 range.

Are you replying to me, as no quote?

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:23

Journey said:
Are you replying to me, as no quote?

Ah yes sorry, I usually don't quote people if no posts between mine and who I am replying to, more so if I'm posting from mobile

Yaayuh! · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:27

SOON™

Twinz · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:28

Journey said:
That does beg the question around price though something that has 68% more cores, must mean that the 4090 will need to be $1799 and they'll have the 4080 (16GB) at $949, with the 4070 at $579.

I guess it depends on how much they want people to buy *now* vs waiting for RDNA3.

Those prices wouldn't create a sense of urgency for me.

Journey · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:28

Nexus18 said:
Ah yes sorry, I usually don't quote people if no posts between mine and who I am replying to

I didn't notice, sorry.

So you think vs last gen when there was only 20% more CUDA's & SM's between the 3090 and 3080, it was the RAM that made the real difference 24GB vs 10GB, so marketed at professionals, as they knew when reviewed as a gaming card it would only be 10-15% faster at best. This time around that is 68% difference (if specs are correct) so could mean a card that is 30-40% faster for the gamers, and they won't make a big deal of that? They need to cover off AMD this time, like it or not they will have a compelling product in RDNA3 and Nvidia wouldn't have such a gulf in the specs others wise IMO.

Chuk_Chuk · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:28

Nexus18 said:
Not a chance, 4090 will also be aimed at professional use cases, which is where nvidia dominate and those people who have professional use case scenarios are far more likely to buy the 3090/4090 over gamers. Gamers, especially casual/low end will be targeting the 4060-4080 range.

As someone pointed out, they appear to have removed the NVlink, because the 3090 was being used by too many professionals. Watch second hand 3090 get hoovered up by the bucket load.

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:36

Journey said:
I didn't notice, sorry.

So you think vs last gen when there was only 20% more CUDA's & SM's between the 3090 and 3080, it was the RAM that made the real difference 24GB vs 10GB, so marketed at professionals, as they knew when reviewed as a gaming card it would only be 10-15% faster at best. This time around that is 68% difference (if specs are correct) so could mean a card that is 30-40% faster for the gamers, and they won't make a big deal of that? They need to cover off AMD this time, like it or not they will have a compelling product in RDNA3 and Nvidia wouldn't have such a gulf in the specs others wise IMO.

No doubt it will be aimed at gamers too but I can't see them dropping out the marketing for professional use cases either, as mentioned, nvidia dominate this sector.

Given the 3080 - 3090 difference in price and performance i.e. big mistake on nvidias part, I fully expect there to be a far bigger lead this time in game performance too in order to get more "gamers" justifying the extra cost over the 4080 range.

I just don't see them dropping the professional image for the 4090 as that is a big chunk of sales/profit on its own.

mrk · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:37

4090 will be £1199 you heard it here first!

Journey · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:39

Nexus18 said:
I just don't see them dropping the professional image for the 4090 as that is a big chunk of sales/profit on its own.

I didn't say they'd drop it though, I said they'd market it at gamers as well, they made a point of saying NOT FOR GAMERS really loudly at the 30 series launch. with the RTX 3090. Professionals still buy 3080/3070's as well, if they aren't in the Quadro market or don't need 24GB of RAM.

labbby · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:40

Nexus18 said:
No doubt it will be aimed at gamers too but I can't see them dropping out the marketing for professional use cases either, as mentioned, nvidia dominate this sector.

Given the 3080 - 3090 difference in price and performance i.e. big mistake on nvidias part, I fully expect there to be a far bigger lead this time in game performance too in order to get more "gamers" justifying the extra cost over the 4080 range.

I just don't see them dropping the professional image for the 4090 as that is a big chunk of sales/profit on its own.

They will drop it, I smell a Titan coming

uscool · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:41

gonna have to factor in much less demand from miners this time round will be interesting to see prices later today

Nexus18 · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:44

Journey said:
I didn't say they'd drop it though, I said they'd market it at gamers as well, they made a point of saying NOT FOR GAMERS really loudly at the 30 series launch. with the RTX 3090. Professionals still buy 3080/3070's as well, if they aren't in the Quadro market or don't need 24GB of RAM.

Fair enough, just from reading your post, it seemed like you were saying they would only be marketing as a gaming gpu:

Journey said:
If the leaked specs for the 4090 to the 4080 16GB are anywhere close to correct then the 4090 with 68% more CUDA cores and SM's (16384 vs 9728 and 128 vs 76) is looking like they have gone all in to ensure they can say they have the fastest consumer grade GPU, I think they will market it as a gaming card this time around though, none of the tom foolery from the 3090 marketing.

That does beg the question around price though something that has 68% more cores, must mean that the 4090 will need to be $1799 and they'll have the 4080 (16GB) at $949, with the 4070 at $579.

The people/business who make a living from their professional workload scenarios is where the big money is, they won't be settling for 4070/4080 tier of gpus.

labbby said:
They will drop it, I smell a Titan coming

Highly likely given the teaser in their live video:

labbby · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:45

Well there you go, they are trying to drop the 4090 from professional use

scubes · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:50

mrk said:
4090 will be £1199 you heard it here first!

Yeah right lol..

mrk · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:53

Seen the Lenovo 4090 by the way? 4 slot beefcake:

Leaked Lenovo GeForce RTX 4090 Legion GPU is a true quad-slot design - VideoCardz.com

Lenovo GeForce RTX 4090 pictured The first photos of Lenovo RTX 4090 GPU. Lenovo is preparing a quad-slot and triple-fan brick also known as RTX 4090 graphics card. While the name of the card has been partially hidden, we can clearly see this is a new design for the cooler. The visible font also...

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Twinz · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:53

uscool said:
gonna have to factor in much less demand from miners this time round will be interesting to see prices later today

Only if they want them to sell.

If they just want them to sit on shelves, they can price them like the 3090Ti.

Journey · 20 Sep 2022 at 09:57

Nexus18 said:
The people/business who make a living from their professional workload scenarios is where the big money is, they won't be settling for 4070/4080 tier of gpus.

As a professional that designs hardware solutions for other professionals (people who make money from something) I can assure that very many of them use cards in the 3070/3080 league. You seem to be concentrating on the GPU being the most important part, or the only bit that matters to a professional who requires a GPU in their system, not everyone one who is a professional is doing something with AI or GPU only compute and will require it to be suitable for their application, but still offer value in their hardware cycle (if they have one). Power/cooling/size is also an issue for certain designs and applications and they cannot manage a 3090 due to these restrictions.

uscool · 20 Sep 2022 at 10:06

Twinz said:
Only if they want them to sell.

If they just want them to sit on shelves, they can price them like the 3090Ti.

just find it interesting most here estimating high prices or almost like they accept it , last time we had the mining boom, covid we dont have either now and also in recession.. and cant see the ones that overpaid for 30 series wanting to splash again when resale prices have dropped for used or the ones that got 30 series late I just see will get demand from gamers at the start and cant see it lasting long

ColdAsIce · 20 Sep 2022 at 10:08

uscool said:
just find it interesting most here estimating high prices or almost like they accept it , last time we had the mining boom, covid we dont have either now and also in recession.. and cant see the ones that overpaid for 30 series wanting to splash again when resale prices have dropped for used or the ones that got 30 series late I just see will get demand from gamers at the start and cant see it lasting long

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