NVIDIA 4000 Series

[arknor]

Everyone complaining about the price - have you not heard of inflation or followed the decline of the £ to USD? It's not unique to GPU's either, PS5 price went up recently. All high end electronics have, this will continue as long as our central banks continue their march towards fiscal destruction (printing money, watering down value of currencies, inflating asset prices).

All you can do about it try to secure a good raise at work, or look for employment elsewhere where you can get a decent raise.

Going to have to do without the bidet and gucci belts if you want a 4000 series

 

[Joxeon]

Or Turding, as some like to call it.

They should have called the new architecture Turpin.

 

[apachegoose]

4090 being expensive is fair game, it's the halo and not really required. But the 4070/4080 pricing is really bad

Going to be the same with AMD as well. The biggest factor to the price hike is TSMC's increase for 2023, both AMD and Nvidia are going to have to increase prices significantly just to cope with that. The Nvidia 30XX series will be around for a long while as that made at a Samsung Fab and with a lot lower cost, so it's likely to out price / perform the lower 40XX series.

 

[arknor]

They should have called the new architecture Turpin.

or CRYPTO

 

[TNA]

I did and you got an answer.

The question was:

Question is, do you think AMD will be your saviour? What price performance and price poits do you think they will hit in November?

My worry is Lisa will just take the chance and undercut by $100 and call it a day which is still ****.

Just found your post in the RDNA 3 thread:

What I expect is that RDNA 3 will be more expensive (+£100) than RDNA 2 at release but quite a bit lower than the 4000 series cards. With only the 7900XT being above the £700.

That still does not answer my question fully. What performance will we be getting at what price points. Names are just names. Just look at Nvidia calling a 4070 a 4080 for example. We all know that is not a 4080!

Also, do you think AMD will provide at the very least Ampere level or RT performance? They are not saying much and it has got me a bit concerned.

 

[pacegod]

I wonder how many cards gibbo is going to order after the feedback on here.

The same as normal. People will complain but will still buy.
Even though they anre excessively priced, people always want the latest and greatest. Have to keep up with the Joneses.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

That still does not answer my question fully. What performance will we be getting at what price points. Names are just names. Just look at Nvidia calling a 4070 a 4080 for example. We all know that is not a 4080!

Also, do you think AMD will provide at the very least Ampere level or RT performance? They are not saying much and it has got me a bit concerned.

So your asking me specifically what will the performance of RDNA 3 be and the different tiers and what is the price of those tiers?

Give me a minute I'll Just phone Lisa and ask her.

Spoiler

Go watch MLID or RTG, their guess is as good as mine.

 

[TNA]

So your asking me specifically what will the performance of RDNA 3 be and the different tiers and what is the price of those tiers?

Give me a minute I'll Just phone Lisa and ask her.

Spoiler

Go watch MLID or RTG, their guess is as good as mine.

I am asking for you to guess and give your opinion. It ain’t hard mate. I don’t watch MLID or RTG waste of time.

 

[Harlequin]

It looks like that way if you ignore Ray tracing and DLSS performance - surprised it hasn't been posted here yet but Nvidia released some game benchmarks showing the 4080 losing to rtx3000 GPUs lmao

Here is the benchmarks, look at the left side to see the new "4080" losing to the 3090ti

So at 4k , a 6900XT is beating the 4080 in the first 3 game mentioned ? Reviews peg the 6950 above the 3090ti in those titles... hmmmm

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I am asking for you to guess and give your opinion. It ain’t hard mate. I don’t watch MLID or RTG waste of time.

Guess based on what information? Their claim about a 50% performance per watt increase? or the fact they are using MCM?

What information am i supposed to use to make this guess? Or are you literally asking me to stick my finger in the air and get feel for which direction the wind is blowing.

Edit: since you asked for a guess 5x faster in raster. RT cores removed and will cost £50. only 10GB of VRAM

 

[Kaapstad]

I read somewhere else that full tower cases were a thing of the past,

The 4XXX series cards have made a mockery of that notion.

 

[cHk4]

Well, the price for the 4090 sucks, but I'll be having one. Dread to think how little I'll get for my 3090

I'm in the same boat. Not sure if I should sell the 3090 on it's own or sell my whole rig as I'll be getting rid of it.

 

[Sui]

Plan was to upgrade my 2070 Super to 4080, but at those prices it’s a lot harder to justify, absolutely bonkers.

I mainly play 1440p (ultra wide), im needing a bit more oomph, especially as I’d like to do some sofa gaming on my TV at 4k.

Maybe I just fall into their trap and buy a 3080.

 

[uscool]

Any date set when the 3rd party reviews are out ? I know companies post bias charts etc these must be the worse all seem to see focused on DLSS and RT and that's even vague for me doesn't look promising for raster

Think I'll be enjoying the 3080fe at 1440p for sometime

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Any date set when the 3rd party reviews are out ? I know companies post bias charts etc these must be the worse all I seem to see focused on DLSS and RT and that's even vague for me doesn't look promising for raster

4090 is scheduled for release oct 12th. So expect reviews within a week of that date.

 

[Jay85]

So how much of this in terms of chip allocation to each class of card is actually true?

 

[TNA]

Guess based on what information? Their claim about a 50% performance per watt increase? or the fact they are using MCM?

What information am i supposed to use to make this guess? Or are you literally asking me to stick my finger in the air and get feel for which direction the wind is blowing.

The 50% performance per watt increase is something to go on yeah. Do you never have a gut feeling?

Let me put it to you another way then, what are your expectations for the performance improvement per tier? And again I will ask, do you expect them to match or beat Ampere RT performance.

I am sure you will try and wriggle out of answering again though

 

[Murphy]

Going to be the same with AMD as well. The biggest factor to the price hike is TSMC's increase for 2023, both AMD and Nvidia are going to have to increase prices significantly just to cope with that. The Nvidia 30XX series will be around for a long while as that made at a Samsung Fab and with a lot lower cost, so it's likely to out price / perform the lower 40XX series.

And the increase in chips per wafer from the fab shrink would probably offset those increased costs, the cost per wafer may have gone up by 20% but the amount of chips, the amount of transistors you can fit on each wafer, goes up because they're smaller. While that may not completely offset the increased wafer costs it does go a long way to offsetting those increases.

CSET: Calculation of foundry sale price per chip in 2020 by node​

	16/12nm	10nm	7nm	5nm
Mass production year and quarter	2015 Q3	2017 Q2	2018 Q3	2020 Q
Capital investment per wafer processed per year	$11,220	$13,169	$14,267	$16,746
Capital consumed per wafer processed in 2020	$993	$1,494	$2,330	$4,235
Other costs and markup per wafer	$2,990	$4,498	$7,016	$12,753
Foundry sale price per wafer	$3,984	$5,992	$9,346	$16,988
Foundry sale price per chip	$331	$274	$233	$238

(Source)

 

[uscool]

4090 is scheduled for release oct 12th. So expect reviews within a week of that date.

Thanks More interested to see how the 4080's perform

 

[MooMoo444]

The prices I'm seeing are just making a second hand 3080 seem like the better option for upgraders.