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NVIDIA 4000 Series

deuse said:
Can't wait for the prices of the asus cards :cry:
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Those prices are going to be insane as they are usually £400/£500 higher then Nvidias. Going to be £2000 for that Asus 4090 easily.

Prices are getting stupidly out of hand now. How much will the 8000 series be in a few years? £6000.
 
tommybhoy said:
I'm 'guessing' it'll be in the contract that Evga can't go AMD until they stop supporting their sold Nv stock.
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I don't know about that.

The thing is if you believe in having Board Partners then it pays to have one who you can ultimately rely on, a sort of "best friend" relationship, because you never know when you might need that loyalty, for AMD that's Sapphire, for Sapphire that's AMD.
I think both Sapphire and AMD will have called on each others friendship in past years, given AMD's difficulties.
For Nvidia that was EVGA, EVGA felt betrayed by Nvidia, if AMD now take on EVGA Sapphire will feel betrayed. AMD don't want to do that to them, i think they would rather try to elevate eachother, like good friends should, because we all need loyal friends, or do we, Nvidia?
 
tommybhoy said:
No friends in big business @humbug , it's cutthroat, with NV, they have sued each other one day and put another order in the next day.
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No i think that's too cynical, as some see it you're no doubt right, but i don't think you would last very long if in business you surround yourself with enemies, some may have forgotten how they got to where they are, hubris, if you're smart i think you realise it pays to stay humble because if you're wrong and you're surrounded by people who quite like to sit back and watch you suffer, you will.

I wouldn't be surprised of EVGA haven't already approached AMD and were polity turned down.
 
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Nexus18 said:
So technically all RTX owners are getting DLSS 3....
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No, not technically. That would be like saying everyone with USB 1 are now getting USB 3 simply because you can plug a USB 3 device into a USB 1 port.

Nvidia have tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes, the only feature that makes DLSS 3, DLSS 3 is the frame generation feature without that what do you have? DLSS 2 is what.
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Ah yes "argument", you lot sure are a strange bunch at times :rolleyes:

Statement was made that the only "new" thing to do with dlss 3 is the frame generation, as shown by the article, this is wrong, do you concur?

You then made the comment that 2 of the subset features have been apart of dlss 2 since day 1 i.e. the only new thing is the frame generation, yet nvidias very own article states reflex is now "integrated with dlss v3", do you concur?

Reflex is now apart of dlss v3 thus it is a new feature for dlss, do you concur?

The statements by nvidia staff have stated that RTX owners will be able to use dlss 3 but not all of the "new features" of v3 i.e. can't use frame generation, which is 1 of the 3 subset features as part of dlss v3, do you concur?
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Well it's not "you lot" as i said that, no one else. Secondly: Yes argument. Or are you not giving reasons why you support an idea or suggestion that DLSS 3 can be used by previous generation cards? Because it sure seems like you're making statements called premises intended to determine the degree of truth or acceptability of another statement called conclusion (maybe it would help if you looked the word argument up in a dictionary).

No i do not concur, for the very same reasons you've had explained to you on multiple occasions now. If as you claim there's some other new feature of DLSS 3 then you're more than welcome to say what that is, because simply forcing an existing feature to be turned on is not a new feature (not that i accept your proposition that people using a 30 series card will have Reflex forced on whether they want it or not).

Yes Nvidia said Reflex is integrated with DLSS 3 but as you've been told that's because frame predictions undoubtedly introduces latency, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then Reflex is not needed, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then you're not using DLSS 3, you're using DLSS 2.

Reflex has been a feature of DLSS since version 2 so no, i do not concur. Simply forcing something to be used is not a new feature, it's a requirement for the use of a new feature. Saying it's a new feature would be like saying TPM is a new feature of Windows 11, it's not, it's a requirement.

Also no i do not concur that frame generation is 1 of the 3 features of DLSS 3, DLSS 3 only introduces one extra feature, frame generation, the other two are features of previous versions. If someone forces you do do something before doing something that's not a feature, it's a requirement.

What next, are you going to claim that breathing is a feature of wanting to live?
 
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Murphy said:
No, not technically. That would be like saying everyone with USB 1 are now getting USB 3 simply because you can plug a USB 3 device into a USB 1 port.

Nvidia have tried to pull the wool over peoples eyes, the only feature that makes DLSS 3, DLSS 3 is the frame generation feature without that what do you have? DLSS 2 is what.

Well it's not "you lot" as i said that, no one else. Secondly: Yes argument. Or are you not giving reasons why you support an idea or suggestion that DLSS 3 can be used by previous generation cards? Because it sure seems like you're making statements called premises intended to determine the degree of truth or acceptability of another statement called conclusion (maybe it would help if you looked the word argument up in a dictionary).

No i do not concur, for the very same reasons you've had explained to you on multiple occasions now. If as you claim there's some other new feature of DLSS 3 then you're more than welcome to say what that is, because simply forcing an existing feature to be turned on is not a new feature (not that i accept your proposition that people using a 30 series card will have Reflex forced on whether they want it or not).

Yes Nvidia said Reflex is integrated with DLSS 3 but as you've been told that's because frame predictions undoubtedly introduces latency, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then Reflex is not needed, if you're not using the frame prediction feature of DLSS 3 then you're not using DLSS 3, you're using DLSS 2.

Reflex has been a feature of DLSS since version 2 so no, i do not concur. Simply forcing something to be used is not a new feature, it's a requirement for the use of a new feature. Saying it's a new feature would be like saying TPM is a new feature of Windows 11, it's not, it's a requirement.

Also no i do not concur that frame generation is 1 of the 3 features of DLSS 3, DLSS 3 only introduces one extra feature, frame generation, the other two are features of previous versions. If someone forces you do do something before doing something that's not a feature, it's a requirement.

What next, are you going to claim that breathing is a feature of wanting to live?
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Robocop music in my head reading that. :p
 
This is the thing about Nvidia, they think they are where they are despite people like EVGA, does anyone here believe that? EVGA could have gone anywhere long before Nvidia became the monopoly, EVGA stuck with Nvidia, EVGA are part of Nvidia's success story, now EVGA needed some help from Nvidia. You know the rest.....
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
at the 4 min 44 second mark they show Nvidia slides about the processing power increase. I noticed that a vast majority of the improvement is in the Tensor cores (Just over 10x since Turing). The RT cores have only had 4x increase since Turing. You would thought that RT cores would have had a more substantial bump over two generations.
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I think the rt cores need more data to work, ie for traversal and intersection, but the tensor core are much more about image processing on more easily cached framebuffer data.
 
humbug said:
Thinking more about this, i don't think AMD would have them, they don't have the market share, it would spread supply to others too thin, and literally this.....
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tommybhoy said:
I'm 'guessing' it'll be in the contract that Evga can't go AMD until they stop supporting their sold Nv stock.
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ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI all make graphic cards with both AMD and Nvidia chipsets. AMD working with EVGA wouldn't be a betrayal of Sapphire any more than them working with ASUS is, and I doubt EVGA have a special "can't work with AMD" clause that extends beyond any deals made to work with the last gen of Nvidia cards since other manufacturers clearly work with both. Meanwhile, EVGA has name recognition with a lot of Nvidia customers that AMD will want to reach so refusing to work with at all seems foolish.
 
sewerino26 said:
will be again stock problems in shops after 4090 launch?
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Well, that's an interesting questions. For those of us on the "They're tripping, with those prices? They still think the mining boom is ongoing and the pandemic chip shortage is in effect" train, we hope they won't sell experience shortages, and in fact will have a nice glut of stock.

But it remains to be seen.
 
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