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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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I've been meaning to update my power supply. I should probably stop procrastinating, before everyone tries to update it with the release of the new cards.
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You're right that Nvidia has huge mindshare, it's similar to Intel back in the day where you'd only really look at their processors.
However there are valid reasons for many to go Nvidia. I was seriously considering the 6900XT as at one point it was half the price (that changed when the prices went crazy) but having a TV that only supports G Sync that swung it for me massively.
Other people went for Nvidia for mining, streaming, or even DLSS as that is arguably superior than AMD's technology. Add on top of that the ray tracing performance and I do feel that 30 series cards were better overall than AMD cards.
Oh I completely agree, I far prefer Nvidia to AMD. I had AMD cards for many, many years, and suffered several driver and performance issues. Since swapping to a 3090, 0 issues, just rock solid stability, excellent performance and far superior NVENC features/performance.
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I also personally don't think the situation will change when the next cards release.
AMD have progressed massively but in CPU land Intel had ran out of ideas, Nvidia have so much up their sleeve that it won't be as easy for AMD to take the market share with graphics cards the way they did with processors.
It's all about that sweet RTX action 
Always had amd cards, last nvidia card before the 3080 was the 8800gt and probably would have gone 6800xt if the cards were in stock for MSRP upon launch but they weren't and thankfully they weren't either as DLSS + amperes RT performance has proved to be well worth it, not to mention when you look into the power efficiency for RT games, you're getting same/better perf. than a 6900xt for considerably less power usage (especially if you have undervolted). Even though I don't stream or record much, I do appreciate that nvidia is considerably better here too but wouldn't care about losing that advantage tbh.
If RDNA 3 matches/beats nvidia in ray tracing and upscaling technology whilst remaining same price or cheaper, I'll probably go AMD again.
Always had amd cards, last nvidia card before the 3080 was the 8800gt and probably would have gone 6800xt if the cards were in stock for MSRP upon launch but they weren't and thankfully they weren't either as DLSS + amperes RT performance has proved to be well worth it, not to mention when you look into the power efficiency for RT games, you're getting same/better perf. than a 6900xt for considerably less power usage (especially if you have undervolted). Even though I don't stream or record much, I do appreciate that nvidia is considerably better here too but wouldn't care about losing that advantage tbh.
If RDNA 3 matches/beats nvidia in ray tracing and upscaling technology whilst remaining same price or cheaper, I'll probably go AMD again.
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I'll go with AMD if they manage that too. Especially as they'll likely run cooler and use less power too.
I'll be shocked if that happens next gen though. I think Nvidia will be more powerful but they'll be a portable heater running like a furnace...
Don't know if any of the new ATX v3 psu are out to buy yet, rather than having been announced. FSP Announces Power Supplies Compliant with Intel PSDG ATX 3.0 and PCIe 5.0 | TechPowerUp
Had my 1000W PSU for probably a good 8 years now. Not sure if I should keep it for a few more years or to jump onto one of these new ones as I will be upgrading to a 4070/80. I am sure what I have will be perfectly fine with a 4070, but who knows if it can handle the 4080 due these spikes that are mentioned.
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It's not really just the wattage that's important.
You will be able to use existing power supplies with the new hardware but you'll need an adapter and won't benefit from the other features the new gen of power supplies bring.
I've got a Seasonic TX-Prime 1000 but will be changing when an equivalent ATX 3.0 psu releases. If the cards come out before I'll just use the adapter....
You will be able to use existing power supplies with the new hardware but you'll need an adapter and won't benefit from the other features the new gen of power supplies bring.
I've got a Seasonic TX-Prime 1000 but will be changing when an equivalent ATX 3.0 psu releases. If the cards come out before I'll just use the adapter....
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With Ryzen they had the lead in some areas (productivity), while being close enough in others (games), all that while being cheaper. Is not the case with their GPU part of the business. Last time that has happened was back in r290/X era when it offer similar performance at half the price.
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as a 3080 owner myself... I'm going to let the RTX 4000 launch come and go because what I'm really interested in is Navi31 comparisons which we will only know about post launch plus 2months... which is fine I'm happy to wait.
The only way Nvidia gets me to buy a 4000 on launch is if the top-end (silicon die not bs product revisions) is VERY attractive on price like better than 3080 £650 msrp AND its available. Otherwise I'm waiting it out.... there is alarm bells all over the 4000 series launch imho price/performance/power the whole works and trust in Nvidia is about as low is it can go in terms of ripping off consumers, like Nigerian Prince low.
The only way Nvidia gets me to buy a 4000 on launch is if the top-end (silicon die not bs product revisions) is VERY attractive on price like better than 3080 £650 msrp AND its available. Otherwise I'm waiting it out.... there is alarm bells all over the 4000 series launch imho price/performance/power the whole works and trust in Nvidia is about as low is it can go in terms of ripping off consumers, like Nigerian Prince low.
Soldato
Similar, no rush on this next gen which will suit any over-hyped, lack of stock, scalped conditions. I am tempted to watch for the navi31 performance and an AIO version would catch the eye, at the right price of course. Hoping more displays are available into 2023 where you can get HDR, high refresh with more choice.
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A fair point but you must see by now that if AMD perceive that they have superior performance they are going to charge a premium for it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire
Soldato
Without knowing how they compare yet its hard to comment. However I cannot see why you wouldn't pay the same rate as their nvidia counterparts when they are likely going to best the rasterisation battle, and if the 3x RT improvement is not just a rumour then its likely to be much closer this time round - which for me would make it down to power, price, build quality, warranty features rather than the usual raster/RT spiel.
Soldato
If it powers the card (and the rest of your components) surely that’s enough? Can’t see what other features you would be missing out on.
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If all was equal then yes i'd look at other factors to make the decision. I doubt it will be that simple though, one would assume that the technologies are going to scale differently even if they are equal at some point in the stack. I've completely lost faith in AMD and expect them to bleed us dry if they gain the edge.. especially if they know they can't meet demand.
Ofc they would given half a chance (iirc they locked the 5700 to prevent too much OC?), they are no better than nvidia in that regard - only reason the 3080 pricing was 'nice' this time round was cause of AMD competition - one of the reasons to welcome intel into the GPU game to shake things up a bit.
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I would assume nothing from either brand tbh, each has their foibles. AMD would need to improve on their terrible UK sales store for example, makes me mad thinking of the US people able to buy directly from their site which should be something we do not miss out on in the UK. It shouldn't however be a distraction technique or skim over nvidia's behaviour at the same time, I would keep an eye on their shenanigans equally.