NVIDIA 4000 Series

[BigBANGtheory]

A fair point but you must see by now that if AMD perceive that they have superior performance they are going to charge a premium for it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire

and that maybe true but at least we will have a comparison, a measure so if AMD go for market share or a right royal fleecing we will know as consumers. If you dive into 4000 its imho an unwarranted gamble unless Nvidia make it genuinely attractive i.e. no smoke & mirrors, BS market separation on SKUs and any other crap board partners want to try their luck on

 

[Grim5]

I'll go with AMD if they manage that too. Especially as they'll likely run cooler and use less power too.

I'll be shocked if that happens next gen though. I think Nvidia will be more powerful but they'll be a portable heater running like a furnace...

I'll do that too if it's like you say but also only when I buy a non Gsync monitor and amd finally supports vrr over hdmi for my tv

 

[Dicehunter]

Depending on the prices and stock situations I'll likely get the 4080 Ti, I'm guessing we'll get the 4080 and 4090 first then 6 months later the 4080 Ti, Not jumping on it day 1 though should it come out at the same time the 4080/90 comes out, I only bought my 3080 Ti 8 months ago, I'd like to get a little more use out of it

 

[mrpipster]

I just hope there's something for under 1K... like Samsung and Apple it seems Nvidia now enjoys a massive mark-up on flagship products.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

and that maybe true but at least we will have a comparison, a measure so if AMD go for market share or a right royal fleecing we will know as consumers.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Nvidia goes down the royal fleecing route for every generation AND the market share of 83% as of 2021. I guess it's only bad when AMD increases prices.

Lower component costs come from bulk buying. Just the size of Nvidia's sales mean they're bulk buying components in quantities 5x bigger than. AMD. So AMD needs to sell higher than Nvidia to make the same profit margin as Nvidia.

 

[Dicehunter]

I just hope there's something for under 1K... like Samsung and Apple it seems Nvidia now enjoys a massive mark-up on flagship products.

If people stopped buying they'd lower their prices, Can't really blame Nvidia for slowly putting prices up when people are fully willing to shell out 1K+ on a single GPU as soon as they release.

 

[Tykey]

I'm very seriously considering buying a 4080 or 4090 (whatever the flagship gpu is at launch) to go with my i7 7700k, does anyone think that's silly?
I currently have an oc'd 3080ti which is doing ok with my i7 7700k, i'm never cpu bound when gaming at high resolutions, always gpu bound. 4k gaming / cpu benchmarks show neglible fps difference between cpu's like mine and newer cpu's.
I'd upgrade my psu too ofc.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Nvidia goes down the royal fleecing route for every generation AND the market share of 83% as of 2021. I guess it's only bad when AMD increases prices.

Lower component costs come from bulk buying. Just the size of Nvidia's sales mean they're bulk buying components in quantities 5x bigger than. AMD. So AMD needs to sell higher than Nvidia to make the same profit margin as Nvidia.

no one is entitled to a massive profit margin

 

[Twinz]

no one is entitled to a massive profit margin

They are "entitled" to whatever people are willing to pay.

We vote with our money.

 

[ColdAsIce]

I'm very seriously considering buying a 4080 or 4090 (whatever the flagship gpu is at launch) to go with my i7 7700k, does anyone think that's silly?
I currently have an oc'd 3080ti which is doing ok with my i7 7700k, i'm never cpu bound when gaming at high resolutions, always gpu bound. 4k gaming / cpu benchmarks show neglible fps difference between cpu's like mine and newer cpu's.
I'd upgrade my psu too ofc.

3080ti should be doing great work, I’d more tempted to fully upgrade your CPU to the 12 series.

 

[Wucked]

They are "entitled" to whatever people are willing to pay.

We vote with our money.

They're not entitled to anything. As prices rise and inflation hits, while wages continue to stagnate...there's only so much that 'the market' will tolerate for entertainement. Netflix is an early indicator of this.

 

[Grim5]

no one is entitled to a massive profit margin

You are not entitled to a GPU either

 

[Dave2150]

I just hope there's something for under 1K... like Samsung and Apple it seems Nvidia now enjoys a massive mark-up on flagship products.

There'll be 4000 series cards under 1k, though they won't be the flagships.

 

[gpuerrilla]

There'll be 4000 series cards under 1k, though they won't be the flagships.

Which one is the flagship this year's launch?

 

[ballj]

They are "entitled" to whatever people are willing to pay.

We vote with our money.

And as this last year has shown, people are willing to pay 2k for a top end GPU. Prob see that as the flagship cost for the future (2080ti was ~£900 or so, 3090 at ~£1400).

 

[Gothamgoblin]

Might be off topic, but what makes more purchasing sense over say a 10 year period:

5x 3060 tier performance (2 years) ~ £2,000
4x 3070 tier (2.5 years) ~ £2,200
3x 3080 tier (3 to 3.5 years) ~ £2,300
2x 3090 tier (5 years) ~ £3,500

(time between upgrades)

I should probably tweak this so the total costs are more in line, but you get the gist. Do you think there is a sweet spot of GPU performance vs. game requirements? a 3090 at year 1 would crush it, but how would it compare say at year 4 vs a GTX 7060 or whatever is out in 2026?

I'm weighing up what level of card to buy when 4000 series is out. My goal is to have settings on high @ 4k with @120hz, which I believe the 4000 series will achieve at 4070 and higher.

 

[Twinz]

And as this last year has shown, people are willing to pay 2k for a top end GPU. Prob see that as the flagship cost for the future (2080ti was ~£900 or so, 3090 at ~£1400).

They will have to roll the dice on how much of that was crypto miners.

I think Nvidia knows their cards won't sell for as much when they lack that money-printing feature.

 

[Grim5]

Might be off topic, but what makes more purchasing sense over say a 10 year period:

5x 3060 tier performance (2 years) ~ £2,000
4x 3070 tier (2.5 years) ~ £2,200
3x 3080 tier (3 to 3.5 years) ~ £2,300
2x 3090 tier (5 years) ~ £3,500

(time between upgrades)

I should probably tweak this so the total costs are more in line, but you get the gist. Do you think there is a sweet spot of GPU performance vs. game requirements? a 3090 at year 1 would crush it, but how would it compare say at year 4 vs a GTX 7060 or whatever is out in 2026?

I'm weighing up what level of card to buy when 4000 series is out. My goal is to have settings on high @ 4k with @120hz, which I believe the 4000 series will achieve at 4070 and higher.

buying a xx60 or xx70 GPU every time a new one is realeased would get you the best bang for buck over whatever number of years

 

[TNA]

buying a xx60 or xx70 GPU every time a new one is realeased would get you the best bang for buck over whatever number of years

Exactly right. Only problem with this approach is you get looked down on by some

 

[ASMB]

buying a xx60 or xx70 GPU every time a new one is realeased would get you the best bang for buck over whatever number of years

The other advantage of buying midrange is you tend to lose less money when you come to sell the card, say cards go down 50% in value, 50% of a £1400 flagship card is £700 loss, 50% loss of a £500 midrange is £250