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It fits..
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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Worst comes to worst it doesn't fit and I end up with a different gpu, it'll be sitting on a riser also.
Caporegime
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Lian-Li always tend to be a little conservative, you should be ok.
edit - ****, forgot about the power connector too, gonna be tiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned here yet but Nvidia released somewhat deflating news about SER.
So at the announcement Jensen said SER provides around 25% performance boost for RTX4000 and the SER feature is there because of the new SM unit core design.
What Jensen did not mention is that developers have to optimise games for SER - games will not make use of SER by default and the GPU will not make use of SER if the game does not ask for it.
SER's performance does vary by game - the heavier the RT effects are the more the benefit Cyberpunk 2077 has been updated to use SER and of the performance uplift Nvidia showed at the announcement, SER accounts for 40% of the additional performance in Cyberpunk 2077.
I guess you can look at this as good or bad news - the good news is that some of the RT games Nvidia showed off have not been updated for SER and in future if they were to be updated then RTx4000 would get a nice performance bump in that game. The bad news is that going forward if developers don't optimise for SER then it's a lot of Ray Tracing performance left on the table for RTX4000 owners
So at the announcement Jensen said SER provides around 25% performance boost for RTX4000 and the SER feature is there because of the new SM unit core design.
What Jensen did not mention is that developers have to optimise games for SER - games will not make use of SER by default and the GPU will not make use of SER if the game does not ask for it.
SER's performance does vary by game - the heavier the RT effects are the more the benefit Cyberpunk 2077 has been updated to use SER and of the performance uplift Nvidia showed at the announcement, SER accounts for 40% of the additional performance in Cyberpunk 2077.
I guess you can look at this as good or bad news - the good news is that some of the RT games Nvidia showed off have not been updated for SER and in future if they were to be updated then RTx4000 would get a nice performance bump in that game. The bad news is that going forward if developers don't optimise for SER then it's a lot of Ray Tracing performance left on the table for RTX4000 owners
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Caporegime
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Furry muff imo, seems quite a forward-looking architecture and a card that would last a fair while. Only the price ****ing peeps off atm!
By the time I rebuild (I'm due a complete new system so probably waiting for Jan, Feb to see what x3d looks like next gen, I keep builds for a while) someone will have tried it anyway.
I'm still chugging on a 6700k and vega 64, haha
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Yeah you're due an upgrade man. I have no such excuse, the 6900XT is creaming everything at 1440p so I can afford to hold out a fair bit longer!
Honestly, I love it when new releases happen. I and loads of other people come back after being quiet for a long time, all researching loads to get tech they don't really need. My partner asked me tonight "With your new PC, are you going to notice any difference?" No, but I might be able to run Crysis.I honestly *love* this forum when a launch is due, brings out all the dicks and idiots (like me)
On a separate note it would be a great time for Lian Li to release their OL11 XL Evo
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Monetisation I imagine there has to be a minimum length for youtube to qualiify so he has to waffle for 15 minutes minimum
When Sony and Microsoft did fake 4k (I know it's not much relevant with dlss but hey!) on ps4 and xbox one we all booed. Nvidia now doing everything fake! Fake MSRP (30 series), fake resolution (dlss 2), inserting fake frames (dlss 3) and even fake names (4080 12GB) and they're getting away with all those while mockingly marketing them as "performance features"... I genuinely laughed when I saw 20 FPS of raw performance on "RTX" branded overpriced "nextgen" flagship 
AIBs: Not much profits after crypto crash, we're pulling off this round
Nvidia: Hang on! Here's your 4080 12GB, get your profits on baby die of 4060 class we'll strike60 to 80 and even up the price for ya
AIBs: Not much profits after crypto crash, we're pulling off this round
Nvidia: Hang on! Here's your 4080 12GB, get your profits on baby die of 4060 class we'll strike
Which is really bizzare because you'd expect more performance gains in CP2077 than what they're showing, just based on raw specs let alone all the "clever" new techniques they're bragging about. So what happened to the performance??
| Cyberpunk 2077 | RTX 4090 | RTX 3090 Ti | vs. |
| Performance (fps) | 60 | 36 | +66% |
| FP32 | 82.58 | 40 | +106% |
| Cores | 16384 | 10752 | +52% |
| Memory B/W | 1 TB/s | 1 TB/s | |
| RT Cores | 128 | 84 | +52% |
| Clock speed (MHz) | 2800 | 2000 | +40% |
| Power | 450w | 450w |
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Here's a thought: Did Nvidia design / tape out the 40 series cards thinking the mining boom and inflated prices would continue and people wouldn't have minded so much about paying daft prices?
Have they released cards intended for a markets that no longer exist?
Have they released cards intended for a markets that no longer exist?
OCUK marketing team not up to the game there? They missed the new encoder.
An idea that I would love is for GPU encoder chips been sold separately, I expect on their own they dont cost much, Nvidia I expect treat it like as an addon they throw in.
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Bit of big chin;
Soldato
When Sony and Microsoft did fake 4k (I know it's not much relevant with dlss but hey!) on ps4 and xbox one we all booed. Nvidia now doing everything fake! Fake MSRP (30 series), fake resolution (dlss 2), inserting fake frames (dlss 3) and even fake names (4080 12GB) and they're getting away with all those while mockingly marketing them as "performance features"... I genuinely laughed when I saw 20 FPS of raw performance on "RTX" branded overpriced "nextgen" flagship
AIBs: Not much profits after crypto crash, we're pulling off this round
Nvidia: Hang on! Here's your 4080 12GB, get your profits on baby die of 4060 class we'll strike60to 80 and even up the price for ya
Winner. Its so pathetic when diehards lap this up its unreal. At least this gen they have started to look at the price tags and think.. oh.
Soldato
Only way to tell would be to mine on it when they are out. Thing is why design something in this context when everyone knew ethereum was being mothballed? It was an easy leg up switching from samsung to tsmc so waiting for some techsperts to drill into why its nothing special and commanding magic sauce prices!
I heard someone else mention this and if true it would be an incredibly foolish move by Nvidia, to not see the bubble bursting.
Yea i can't think of a reason why they wouldn't have seen it coming, maybe they thought another crypto would take ETH's place, maybe they were enthralled by the record profits, i honestly don't know but the 4000 series defiantly seems over engineered for current markets.
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Maybe they didn't think that particular gravy train was coming to an end so soon?
These would have been designed and ordered while it was still very much a boom time, and the ethereum lot have been announcing they would move to proof-of-stake *any day now* since about 2017, so perhaps nobody expected a) the price crash and b) them to actually follow through this time!
I expected prices to rise and would have probably went up to around £900 max for a decent 4080 card but even had the 16gb version been priced at £900 I'd have felt disappointed by the huge cutdown and what is looking like a 50% performance deficit to the 4090 which is a whole generation in performance ahead so even then I'm not sure I would have bought it, with prices as they are though it's a complete non starter.