I find it sad thinking how great it felt and the true hype for the 1080Ti back in March/April 2017 versus this.
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I find it sad thinking how great it felt and the true hype for the 1080Ti back in March/April 2017 versus this.
I do wonder how well a GPU of similar size to the 4090 would perform if the die space give up to all the RT and AI junk was turned over to 'normal' GPU work, i can't help feeling that the RT and AI stuff has either taken away performance from rasterisation and/or increase the size/cost.
When you consider how much the RT and AI stuff actually gets used it seems like wasted space and/or extra costs for something that's probably only used 10-20% of the time.
But what is the point of more rasterisation performance. It's like before when tesselation was first introduced. Graphics cards had to be optimised to become really good at it. Without tesselation, graphics weren't going to improve much.
I would have agreed for with your post for Turing, but with Ampere and now Ada/RDNA3, RT and GI is going to make games look amazing.
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If the game supports it and developers can be bothered with it, there's currently 73 games that support RT with 27 more on the way, 150 game that support DLSS with a further 33 on the way. (And that's more than 4 years worth of games with some games on that list I've never even heard of)
If every game supported it i could understand dedicating so much die space and costs to it but they don't and in the case of RT, personally speaking, i don't care one way or the other. Given the choice between a limited number of games with RT and hardware dedicated to upscaling or higher frame rates at higher resolution for all games i know what one I'd choose.
If every game supported it i could understand dedicating so much die space and costs to it but they don't and in the case of RT, personally speaking, i don't care one way or the other. Given the choice between a limited number of games with RT and hardware dedicated to upscaling or higher frame rates at higher resolution for all games i know what one I'd choose.
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Soldato
Exactly, before ampere got traction (first couple of drop waves were soaked up by bots/scalpers) the number of games with RT was low and most of these have been remastered old games. He mentions turing #5663 but of that gen only the 2080/Ti were any good at it you could argue the 60 + 70 were at the time throwing it in to explore but not actually use due to the performance tank.
Soldato
It was ~25% and that was just with respect to the shader reordering feature.
It has been mentioned before but there was significantly less time spent talking about games this time round. Either they are hiding something or gamers are not the main audience.
I have a hard time believing that Nvidia could whiff soo hard on their latest architect that they need to hide the figures. (No way the stars could align so well for AMD
)According to tech power up 2080ti to 3090 is about 60%. So I’m expecting the same again. Does anyone remember what uplift they showed for the only raster title they had a graph for?
Caporegime
Currently.
You could have said the same things about shaders when the first cards supporting them came out. Maybe Nvidia are wrong and real time ray tracing won't be a key technology in the future of games, but pointing out that games aren't supporting a technology that didn't exist when they came out is moot. The question is what the games over the next two years are going to look like.
Also, the gains of going more raster heavy are likely highly diminishing.
It is really sad basically every 5 cents drop is an extra £75 on the MSRP which was set at 1.14 so that’s about £140 more on top of the £1679 which will mean the new U.K. MSRP will be around £1799 starting price if the pound does not recover soon or higher if it keeps declining. We really do have a shambolic government.
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Soldato
€ is now down to 96c to $ - we are not in isolation, the $ is literally the strongest it has been in nearly forever. The world is in a shambles.
Be interesting to see if NVIDIA update the GBP MSRP to play fair with their AIB partners as the AIB’s and resellers will be making a loss if they expect an MSRP set at 1.14 to still be hit as though NVIDIA have margins to allow for such currency swings AIBs and resellers do not.
Yes the world is in a right mess.
Pound fell below $1.04 last night so i honestly expect to see below parity before launch day sadly. I just hope Nividia dont change the price of the 4090FE from £1679. Some AIB 4080 16gb might be getting close to that price if the pound continues to plummet.
And yet the € is strengthening against the £, last week it was 0.88-87 to the pound now it's in the 90c range. If it was just the mighty dollar you'd expect to see both currencies falling.
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Soldato
Well the DXY is approaching the highs of 2001 when it was at $117.55, and it has gained 22% in the last 12 months, if we get to $1.22 that will be all time high since 1986 and the £ will be worth about 85c and the € about 79c:$
Soldato
We don't buy video cards in € though, they are priced in $ like everything coming out of Taiwan. However yes we have lost some traction against the €, but given the Italian election results I think that might have an effect today.
Maybe for the higher end cards but what about the ##50/60/70 which don't look like they'll be seeing much if any improvement in raster at their price points vs ampere?
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I wonder if scalpers will pounce on 4090FE stock, if the AIB cards are all £2000+ and Nvidia honours the original £1679? Guess it also depends on how much FEs stock there is - scalpers won't know until it's all gone. Though, they can return/distance selling act if there turns out to be a huge stockpile I guess
