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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Purgatory said:
Well according to their reviews for the 4090 the 3090ti is now 60% faster than a 3090 that they said was only 5% slower than a 3090ti in the 3090ti review... You can't make this stuff up really. I'm also seeing mistakes from all the reviewers in a way to mislead and the way they speak in the reviews to distract you from the results or to quickly change the results to the next ones that favour nvidia.. This is nothing more than marketing for nvidia now these sites and youtube channels. All kissing up to Nvidia's review guide this time and even HUB because you know they need their free hardware so they can later ebay it for profit like all the youtubers did and I saw many of them on AVforums the uk reviewers selling their review gear and still even some now doing it there and trying to bluff the warranty issues with hardware that shouldn't be sold on as they know. :rolleyes: Nice business really.


These are some of the worst reviews for gpus I have ever seen on youtube and review sites.
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The big elephant in the room is the pricing and not a single one of them are pointing it out either, it shows the lifestyle they live though, for some of us we want others to not be tricked monetarily, but they don't seem to care.
 
humbug said:
Again, for the Nvidia GPU's on that Cyberpunk slide this is pretty much exactly the same as Nvidia's marketing slides.

You have to ask if these people are littrally just copying Nvidia's review directives without questioning it.
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Yeah - their cyberpunk results seem a little off compared to others... almost as if they are using DLSS3 on figures, but claiming its off... other reviews don't show quite such a base level improvement.
 
humbug said:
Again, for the Nvidia GPU's on that Cyberpunk slide this is pretty much exactly the same as Nvidia's marketing slides.

You have to ask if these people are littrally just copying Nvidia's review directives without questioning it.
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No idea what they are doing but this is misleading and not honest reviews, but they will later play mistakes were made and they are only human blaa blaa... more like stick the fake reviews up to create hype for nvidia as they wanted and later explain once they sell out the next day to people that were missold the reviewed item, because the results were not true.
 
Tired9 said:
The big elephant in the room is the pricing and not a single one of them are pointing it out either, it shows the lifestyle they live though, for some of us we want others to not be tricked monetarily, but they don't seem to care.
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The 4090 is cheaper than the 3090... soooo... what's your point? ;)
 
TOW said:
Yeah - their cyberpunk results seem a little off compared to others... almost as if they are using DLSS3 on figures, but claiming its off... other reviews don't show quite such a base level improvement.
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I don't think Linus has any morality left, this is the guy who complained about "Disloyalty" from his own customers because they weren't satisfied with a 'Trust me bro' warranty on his products.

I mean, he's literally gas lighting his own customers there, what do you call people who in an abusive relationship do that to their other half?
 
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Tired9 said:
The big elephant in the room is the pricing and not a single one of them are pointing it out either, it shows the lifestyle they live though, for some of us we want others to not be tricked monetarily, but they don't seem to care.
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Yes it's funny how when they start the channels they are honest and scream and shout about pricing but now ...ohh it's actually great value and some even annoyed the hell out of me this time that basically said 3090s were a waste of money but 4090s "well done nvidia a bargain card", will let you find that review of the lady in the leather jacket that was very outspoken last time how the 3090s and 6900xts were a waste of money, but now a 2000 euro card in her country is well done nvidia. :rolleyes::cry:

Nothing like being a nvidia shill and they are all doing it this time and can't believe how many nobody youtubers have been sent a 4090 to review this time, people never even heard off when you search 4090 reviews that come up and all sponsored by nvidia free gear.
 
humbug said:
I don't think Linus has any morality left, this is the guy who complained about "Disloyalty" from his own customers because they weren't satisfied with a 'Trust me bro' warranty on his products.

I mean, he's literally gas lighting his own customers there, what do you call people in an abusive relationship who do that to their other half?
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Yeah... and all the recent videos I bothered to watch, the shameless shilling of their cheap merchandise... they sell the idea they're making bank from their sponsorship revenue... so is that they admitting greed... or is it desperation because it's not what they pretend it to be / it's trailing off?

I don't watch much of the YouTube reviews... I prefer text based reviews so I can pick and choose what I want to know quickly and directly... but I did watch fat-Linus' review yesterday & beyond anything else - it made my OCD crazy just how many times the presenter got their own stats completely wrong... he'd be saying one number and completely different numbers were on screen - or he'd reference something relative to another and he'd be using the wrong figure in the wrong way.

Really terrible review.
 
Purgatory said:
Yes it's funny how when they start the channels they are honest and scream and shout about pricing but now ...ohh it's actually great value and some even annoyed the hell out of me this time that basically said 3090s were a waste of money but 4090s "well done nvidia a bargain card", will let you find that review of the lady in the leather jacket that was very outspoken last time how the 3090s and 6900xts were a waste of money, but now a 2000 euro card in her country is well done nvidia. :rolleyes::cry:

Nothing like being a nvidia shill and they are all doing it this time and can't believe how many nobody youtubers have been sent a 4090 to review this time, people never even heard off when you search 4090 reviews that come up and all sponsored by nvidia free gear.
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2.3x price increase is a tough pill to swallow.

... still buying 6 though... sorry not sorry
 
The benchers and reviewers aren't waiting anymore and are just flooding 3D mark with their scores

Why this matters today is that there is a whole bunch of benchmarks for AIB cards up on the hall of fame and this allows us to see their temperature

I've seen Timespy Extreme benches for an MSI, Gainward, Galax and Colorful 4090's and from different users so far and all them are running at 52c to 61c

Basically the AIB 4090's run with water cooling type temperature right out of the box
 
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humbug said:
I don't think Linus has any morality left, this is the guy who complained about "Disloyalty" from his own customers because they weren't satisfied with a 'Trust me bro' warranty on his products.

I mean, he's literally gas lighting his own customers there, what do you call people who in an abusive relationship do that to their other half?
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Linus is an irritating wee tadger.
 
Grim5 said:
The benchers and reviewers aren't waiting anymore and are just flooding 3D mark with their scores

Why this matters today is that there is a whole bunch of benchmarks for AIB cards up on the hall of fame and this allows us to see their temperature

I've seen Timespy Extreme benches for an MSI, Gainward, Galax and Colorful 4090's and from different users so far and all them are running at 52c to 61c

Basically the AIB 4090's run with water cooling type temperature right out of the box
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I'm more keen on that for the noise profile.

The 4 going into my office are not getting custom WC loops.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Whether it hits CPU/engine limits or GPU limits is missing the point. The question that (most) consumers are interested in is "how will putting this GPU in my computer affect the games I play", that's only reasonably reflected by testing those games in actual computer setups and whether or not the 4090 is capable of more in a still theoretical future system with faster CPU/memory/etc is not relevant to the question. In fact, being limited by the best CPUs available is a property of the card relevant to consumers and excluding it would produce less relevant results than including it.



I don't agree that "behaviour in real world testing" is a hidden confounding factor. Rather it is what is being measured. Any average hides detail, and that detail may be very important to the audience or it may not, hiding detail does not make using an average wrong. Now, if any particular source has failed to discuss the probable reasons for variations in performance and why CPU limitation may explain some of the results, then I'd agree they're not well informing their audience.
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Disagree all you like. Hiding factors that have nothing whatsoever to do with the performance of the thing you're testing, but have a bearing on the result within an average is bad science. It makes sense to show these within the individual charts for specific games, but throwing those inhibited figures into the average and saying 'this is the performance gain over X' is not just misleading, it's incompetent. If this were a paper I or any of my colleagues were reviewing, it would be torn to shreds.

Hardware Canucks is the only reviewer so far that I've seen recognising that you can't accurately average performance gain of a card where factors beyond the card itself set the limits, and showing a separate, accurate percentage gain with CPU or engine-limited tests prevented from contributing to the average.
 
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Tired9 said:
The big elephant in the room is the pricing and not a single one of them are pointing it out either, it shows the lifestyle they live though, for some of us we want others to not be tricked monetarily, but they don't seem to care.
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That's spot on. Imagine if this launch was just 5 years ago and the prices were even 70% what it is now. Reviewers would have laughed nVidia out of the market.
 
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