NVIDIA 4000 Series

Tykey · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:21

Kelt said:
They're doing that to avoid responsibility, I've had that a couple of times in the past, and had to remind the seller of UK law with regard to this matter.

Who is liable for faulty goods - the retailer or manufacturer? – Trading Standards Blog

A very common consumer question – which goes along the lines of: I have bought an item from a shop/retailer which is faulty – I have taken it back to the shop but they tell me to go to the Continue reading Who is liable for faulty goods – the retailer or manufacturer?→

tradingstandardsblog.co.uk

https:// www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/what-do-i-do-if-i-have-a-faulty-product-aTTEK2g0YuEy

This means that your statutory consumer rights are against the retailer – the company that sold you the product – not the manufacturer.
You can still make a claim against the manufacturer if you have a guarantee or warranty, or if the product has caused additional damage or injury, but we strongly recommend that you deal with the retailer in the first instance.

Ah ok I stand corrrected, thanks for pointing that out. So they've tried fobbing me off in the past when i've been told to contact the manufacturer. It was Argos with a Quest 2 and Amazon with a Pimax 8KX. Due to faults I got refunded in the end anyway but they definitely tried it on.

Kelt · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:34

tyke_ said:
https:// www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/advice/what-do-i-do-if-i-have-a-faulty-product-aTTEK2g0YuEy

This means that your statutory consumer rights are against the retailer – the company that sold you the product – not the manufacturer.
You can still make a claim against the manufacturer if you have a guarantee or warranty, or if the product has caused additional damage or injury, but we strongly recommend that you deal with the retailer in the first instance.

Ah ok I stand corrrected, thanks for pointing that out. So they've tried fobbing me off in the past when i've been told to contact the manufacturer. It was Argos with a Quest 2 and Amazon with a Pimax 8KX. Due to faults I got refunded in the end anyway but they definitely tried it on.

Yup, the last time this happened to me, was with Amazon, over a faulty microwave, tried to fob me off with advising me to get in touch with the manufacturer.

Yeh, no.

Chuk_Chuk · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:42

Adrian1976 said:
Agreed! I have a 6 yr old autistic son and I cannot leave my case panel off, Right now I'm having to unplug the GPU and put my case back on because of this S***Show.

Just a heads up mate, Are you aware that the connector has a limited unplug/plug lifecycle? (about 30)

lsg1r · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:43

Adrian1976 said:
Why TF did Nvidia not send out an angled adaptor instead of the straight one when they knew it wouldn't fit 99% of cases on the market is beyond me!

Profits.... the cost of a quality right angle adapter would have eaten into the simple 'squeeze 4 cables into one adapter' approach they're using now...

I am a bit surprised that the AIB manufacturers didn't do something like it though... but then for all we know Nvidia could have stipulated they must use their adapter.

Cablemods right angle is pre-sale on October 31

Chuk_Chuk said:
Just a heads up mate, Are you aware that the connector has a limited unplug/plug lifecycle? (about 30)

You're joking right...I know it's rare that most people would be pulling it out and putting it back in again on a regular basis but that's just shockingly poor design.

I'm waiting on rdna3 anyway but at this rate I might sacrifice cuda to get a decent power socket....

Gerard · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:45

Twinz said:
Agreed.

Designing a cable with the requirement that end-users must bend them perfectly, is a bad design.

As I mentioned before. Could they not have put a line on the cable indicating that its safe to bend to a certain degree after this point?

Seems like minimal thought at best went into it for a connector that's so finicky about being bent...

Kelt · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:46

lsg1r said:
Profits.... the cost of a quality right angle adapter would have eaten into the simple 'squeeze 4 cables into one adapter' approach they're using now...

I am a bit surprised that the AIB manufacturers didn't do something like it though... but then for all we know Nvidia could have stipulated they must use their adapter.

Cablemods right angle is pre-sale on October 31

You're joking right...I know it's rare that most people would be pulling it out and putting it back in again on a regular basis but that's just shockingly poor design.

I'm waiting on rdna3 anyway but at this rate I might sacrifice cuda to get a decent power socket....

Nope, he isn't, it's legit.

Colonel_Klinck · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:48

Not been looking but what has availability been like? Many cards popping up on OCUK and other resellers?

lsg1r · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:49

Kelt said:
Nope, he isn't, it's legit.

That's just... I don't even know what to say on that it's just so stupid...

The worst thing about all the power socket issues (and the 4080 that's really a 4060/4070) is that we know nvidia are basically going to do sod all about it and they'll still have pc gamers queuing up to get their new shiny gpu from nvidia no matter what....

Kelt · 26 Oct 2022 at 19:50

lsg1r said:
That's just... I don't even know what to say on that it's just so stupid...

The worst thing about all the power socket issues (and the 4080 that's really a 4060/4070) is that we know nvidia are basically going to do sod all about it and they'll still have pc gamers queuing up to get their new shiny gpu from nvidia no matter what....

ZOTAC RTX 4090: PCIe Gen5 cable can only be unplugged 30 times

ZOTAC says the new 4 x 8-pin to 12VHPWR (the new 16-pin PCIe Gen5) has a very, very limited service life of up to 30 connects and disconnects.

www.tweaktown.com

diamount · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:00

Colonel_Klinck said:
Not been looking but what has availability been like? Many cards popping up on OCUK and other resellers?

The trickle is real. We'll see if it magically sorts itself out if AMD brings out a compelling product.

Adrian1976 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:22

Chuk_Chuk said:
Just a heads up mate, Are you aware that the connector has a limited unplug/plug lifecycle? (about 30)

Oh yeah I'm aware of that but honestly don't take any notice of that it's been like that since the molex days, I think it's more to do with the user, Not to say it won't degrade after repeated inserting but somehow I think they're scare mongering a bit there.

Hopefully the adaptors are available and ship fast after release next week.

Adrian1976 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:26

lsg1r said:
Profits.... the cost of a quality right angle adapter would have eaten into the simple 'squeeze 4 cables into one adapter' approach they're using now...

I am a bit surprised that the AIB manufacturers didn't do something like it though... but then for all we know Nvidia could have stipulated they must use their adapter.

Cablemods right angle is pre-sale on October 31

You're joking right...I know it's rare that most people would be pulling it out and putting it back in again on a regular basis but that's just shockingly poor design.

I'm waiting on rdna3 anyway but at this rate I might sacrifice cuda to get a decent power socket....

That's the thing AIBs used to always give PCIE 8 pin splitters in the box regardless of FE so all they needed to do was add another one with a right angle for people that needed it, It's just such a cheap thoughtless oversight to bundle the same adaptor with all third party cards.

JonRGV250 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:29

My replacement 4090 arrived at work today (thanks Danny C @ OCUK) and thought I'd see if it'd fit into my potato work PC...

That'll be a no then

Mikeey · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:38

The more I hear about this melting issue and the general connectivity and limited lifespan of reconnecting the more I want to keep the £1699 in my pocket and await AMDs new arrival.

lsg1r · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:39

Adrian1976 said:
That's the thing AIBs used to always give PCIE 8 pin splitters in the box regardless of FE so all they needed to do was add another one with a right angle for people that needed it, It's just such a cheap thoughtless oversight to bundle the same adaptor with all third party cards.

In some respects I can't blame AIB's for trying to cut costs when the FE is literally as fast and almost as quiet as their higher priced alternatives (can completely understand EVGA leaving) but this little oversight could end up coming back to burn them long term.

Captain · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:43

diamount said:
The trickle is real. We'll see if it magically sorts itself out if AMD brings out a compelling product.

Yeah fair point, expect to see the shops flooded if AMD release a card that that can compete with the 4080/4090.

Slam62 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:45

Captain said:
Yeah fair point, expect to see the shops flooded if AMD release a card that that can compete with the 4080/4090.

We said that last time

lsg1r · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:48

Slam62 said:
We said that last time

To be fair the supply was probably there.... it just wasn't getting to us due to scalpers and crypto etc

Stu999 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:55

lsg1r said:
In some respects I can't blame AIB's for trying to cut costs when the FE is literally as fast and almost as quiet as their higher priced alternatives (can completely understand EVGA leaving) but this little oversight could end up coming back to burn them long term.

Burn or melt?

Slam62 · 26 Oct 2022 at 20:56

JonRGV250 said:
My replacement 4090 arrived at work today (thanks Danny C @ OCUK) and thought I'd see if it'd fit into my potato work PC...

That'll be a no then

Try it the other way around