Same but if he is claiming there are games where a 6900xt is doing 60fps at 1440p then it must be much worse than I thought. My 3090 doesn't dip below 60fps often if at all @ 4k so a 6900xt doing 60fps at 1440p in any game is pretty poor.
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NVIDIA 4000 Series
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I'm curious to know which games as with my 6800 XT I've yet to drop below 60fps at 1440p in any outside of a couple of titles with RT enabled.
Yeah this seems to be the marketing strategy lately where they increase performance but also increase the price tier so the performance increase at a certain price point ends up being mediocre.
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RTX 4070 £350....
Pipe dream but would be nice.
Pipe dream but would be nice.
bahahaha, that's RTX4050 price
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Radeon are competitive, ok not in RT yet but are in rasterization, I think it is fair game that Jensen lowers his self back to Earth a bit more for us mere peasants.
Then again, my thinking is a bit too optimistic at times.
That's pretty funny. I guess they can't call it NVcache since they've already used that.
With what's happening in Ukraine (they supply I believe a noble gas used in chip manufacture) things could get a lot worst.
Same unless it's few specific games , A
what games exactly ? if anything the AMD cards at 1440p pure rasterization are equal or ahead
Nvidia would like to introduce you to the new, lowest hanging fruit, the RTX4040 for that price no doubt.
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Looks like to get all RTX4000 GPU cards working, will just need a new PCIe Gen5 Motherboard, Intel 12 series CPU and PSU with the new PCIe Gen5 12 pin 12VHPWR power connecter, found info on youtube true or not who know's.
So forget that I'm buying a RTX3070Ti or 3060Ti at retail price for my old i7 6700K rig, hopefully by summer then do a full PC upgrade couple year's later DDR5 ram be worth buying then.
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Few day's later got my 3060Ti FE at MSRP for the old 6700K rig, now can relax and wait for 4070 or 4080 to buy for whole new PC system upgrade next year maybe if it's worth doing.
So forget that I'm buying a RTX3070Ti or 3060Ti at retail price for my old i7 6700K rig, hopefully by summer then do a full PC upgrade couple year's later DDR5 ram be worth buying then.
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Few day's later got my 3060Ti FE at MSRP for the old 6700K rig, now can relax and wait for 4070 or 4080 to buy for whole new PC system upgrade next year maybe if it's worth doing.
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Don't believe everything you see on the net.
Nvidia RTX 40-Series Ada GPUs Will Likely Coexist With RTX 30-Series
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...st-with-rtx-30-series?utm_campaign=socialflow
Nvidia will likely continue making and selling its RTX 30-series graphics cards even after it launches its next-generation "Ada" GPUs. The company's CFO, Colette Kress, suggested as much at Morgan Stanley's Technology, Media and Telecom Conference. PCMag first reported on Kress' comments.
The Covid-19 pandemic and the supply chain issues it exacerbated gave Nvidia an "opportunity" for the gaming side of the business to sell both RTX 30-series and Turing-architecture based RTX 20-series graphics cards, Kress said. "So we’ve been doing that to provide more and more supply to our gamers," Kress said. "And we may see something like that continue in the future. It was successful with Ampere and we'll see as we move forward.”
Nvidia has continued to produce the RTX 2060 alongside RTX 3000 cards and even made a new version with 12GB of memory in December to make more GPUs available during the component shortage, though even that stock was scarce. There's also still the upcoming RTX 2050 mobile solution, which will arrive in the coming months.
Nvidia's next-gen graphics cards, which will presumably be the RTX 40-series, are likely to launch in phases. Typically, Nvidia has launched with its top-end cards and followed up with lower tier variants, sometimes launching 12 months or more later. It wouldn't be surprising to see an RTX 4090, RTX 4080 and perhaps RTX 4070 launch first, with the RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 sticking around as entry and mid-level cards. That pattern happened as the Turing-based GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 cards stuck around with the new, Ampere-based RTX 3070, RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 leading the charge.
In that way, Nvidia has been selling cards from different generations side by side for a long time. It isn't uncommon for any chipmaker to continue to produce older silicon. On the CPU side, for instance, Intel and AMD typically produce older chips for several generations. In this case, though, the cards are being kept around in order to continue to satisfy the needs of gamers who haven't been able to upgrade to the best graphics cards due to the shortages.
"We believe the supply will improve each quarter of this year," Kress said. "And we feel like we'll be in a solid position when we look at the second half of this year."
Still, Kress is suggesting, if not confirming, this strategy will continue, and that keeping old GPUs around may be necessary to keep enough GPUs in the channel so Nvidia can meet demand.
Kress stressed Nvidia was not ready to announce any new products at the investor event, though we "may hear more" about upcoming plans at GTC. The recent Nvidia hack has resulted in a wealth of information about Nvidia's upcoming GPU plans, and all indications are that we'll see Ada and RTX 40-series graphics cards this fall.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/new...st-with-rtx-30-series?utm_campaign=socialflow
Nvidia will likely continue making and selling its RTX 30-series graphics cards even after it launches its next-generation "Ada" GPUs. The company's CFO, Colette Kress, suggested as much at Morgan Stanley's Technology, Media and Telecom Conference. PCMag first reported on Kress' comments.
The Covid-19 pandemic and the supply chain issues it exacerbated gave Nvidia an "opportunity" for the gaming side of the business to sell both RTX 30-series and Turing-architecture based RTX 20-series graphics cards, Kress said. "So we’ve been doing that to provide more and more supply to our gamers," Kress said. "And we may see something like that continue in the future. It was successful with Ampere and we'll see as we move forward.”
Nvidia has continued to produce the RTX 2060 alongside RTX 3000 cards and even made a new version with 12GB of memory in December to make more GPUs available during the component shortage, though even that stock was scarce. There's also still the upcoming RTX 2050 mobile solution, which will arrive in the coming months.
Nvidia's next-gen graphics cards, which will presumably be the RTX 40-series, are likely to launch in phases. Typically, Nvidia has launched with its top-end cards and followed up with lower tier variants, sometimes launching 12 months or more later. It wouldn't be surprising to see an RTX 4090, RTX 4080 and perhaps RTX 4070 launch first, with the RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 sticking around as entry and mid-level cards. That pattern happened as the Turing-based GTX 1650 and GTX 1660 cards stuck around with the new, Ampere-based RTX 3070, RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 leading the charge.
In that way, Nvidia has been selling cards from different generations side by side for a long time. It isn't uncommon for any chipmaker to continue to produce older silicon. On the CPU side, for instance, Intel and AMD typically produce older chips for several generations. In this case, though, the cards are being kept around in order to continue to satisfy the needs of gamers who haven't been able to upgrade to the best graphics cards due to the shortages.
"We believe the supply will improve each quarter of this year," Kress said. "And we feel like we'll be in a solid position when we look at the second half of this year."
Still, Kress is suggesting, if not confirming, this strategy will continue, and that keeping old GPUs around may be necessary to keep enough GPUs in the channel so Nvidia can meet demand.
Kress stressed Nvidia was not ready to announce any new products at the investor event, though we "may hear more" about upcoming plans at GTC. The recent Nvidia hack has resulted in a wealth of information about Nvidia's upcoming GPU plans, and all indications are that we'll see Ada and RTX 40-series graphics cards this fall.
Fake, fake and fake
* PCIE5 is backwards compatible so you can use gen4 and gen3 motherboards with RTX4000 - your claim has been debunked
* You need an Intel 12th gen cpu: Dunno who told you this but it's rubbish - your claim is debunked
* You need a pcie5 PSU: This has already been disproven by PSU manufacturers, PCIE5 PSU will still have some conventional 6 and 8 pin connections and will come with (and they will sell) double and triple to 16 pin adaptors. So whether you have a PSU with a 16 pin gen 5 connection or a old PSU and a RTX4000 GPU with a 16 pin connection, you will be able to use almost any PSU with any RTX4000 GPU. Your claim has been debunked
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Your claim has been debunked, debunked, debunked !!!
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it really comes down to how important value for money is to you...
imho the 3080Ti is terrible in this respect, you had a window of opportunity to acquire a 3080 close to MSRP at launch a year and a half ago and that boat has sailed... to consider a 3080Ti now only makes sense if you have a need like your GPU fails OR you suspend all pretence around value
So whilst its true to poke fun at waiting for 5000 or 6000 series, there is 'usually' a step change in value for performance with a new generation, but its not guaranteed and because of high demand all these companies are looking to exploit every possible avenue to rake consumers over which is pretty much what happened with the Turing series.
Personally I'm not looking to leap into the next-gen on release because:
- Its only really VR that would benefit, there are no decent/sensible 4k gaming screens still in 2022
- I think they are going to price the new GPUs very high and sell them alongside current gen until demand settles down aka they will imho rake the high-end at new levels
- mGPU designs from AMD look very interesting, but is not proven I want to see flawless execution not games needing developers to optimise
If it were me I'd wait, and if people want to poke fun at that then feel free to chuck some cash over to those that can't buy components without a care as to their value or longevity, and whilst ur at it maybe consider funding a 30K conversion to solar electricity to ride out the energy crisis
imho the 3080Ti is terrible in this respect, you had a window of opportunity to acquire a 3080 close to MSRP at launch a year and a half ago and that boat has sailed... to consider a 3080Ti now only makes sense if you have a need like your GPU fails OR you suspend all pretence around value
So whilst its true to poke fun at waiting for 5000 or 6000 series, there is 'usually' a step change in value for performance with a new generation, but its not guaranteed and because of high demand all these companies are looking to exploit every possible avenue to rake consumers over which is pretty much what happened with the Turing series.
Personally I'm not looking to leap into the next-gen on release because:
- Its only really VR that would benefit, there are no decent/sensible 4k gaming screens still in 2022
- I think they are going to price the new GPUs very high and sell them alongside current gen until demand settles down aka they will imho rake the high-end at new levels
- mGPU designs from AMD look very interesting, but is not proven I want to see flawless execution not games needing developers to optimise
If it were me I'd wait, and if people want to poke fun at that then feel free to chuck some cash over to those that can't buy components without a care as to their value or longevity, and whilst ur at it maybe consider funding a 30K conversion to solar electricity to ride out the energy crisis
new video from MLID
He claims:
* RTX4000 will top out between 450w and 550w
* RTX4000 will use a variant of G6 memory, but the architecture and controller should support G7 so later in the life cycle when G7 becomes available they could launch a Super or Ti refresh with G7 VRAM
* Rasterization performance will top out at 100% above RTX3090
* RT performance will top out at 120% above RTX3090
He claims:
* RTX4000 will top out between 450w and 550w
* RTX4000 will use a variant of G6 memory, but the architecture and controller should support G7 so later in the life cycle when G7 becomes available they could launch a Super or Ti refresh with G7 VRAM
* Rasterization performance will top out at 100% above RTX3090
* RT performance will top out at 120% above RTX3090
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Never been happier to be DEBUNKED was from the so called leaks hacked from Nvidia then reported on a Youtube channel lol.
Still get the 3070Ti or 3060Ti though when the prices are better for my old Intel 6700K rig, not spending £3K on a new rig this year just for a 4000 series GPU and doubling my electric bill.
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Soldato
I think thats just a smaller concern of the bigger picture. Transport costs are already 5x or 6x above normal (pre Covid) with the fuel prices rising it will get worse. This decade is heading in one direction and dont forget they say everything happens in 3's. (thats my superstitious sentence out the way)
Soldato
Sounds more like a local PC issue as I've yet to have any game running that slow. Not that I play it now but my 6900 XT was quite a bit faster than my mates 3090 in Battlefield 2042.Same unless it's few specific games , A
what games exactly ? if anything the AMD cards at 1440p pure rasterization are equal or ahead