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NVIDIA 4000 Series

@Gibbo are you due any of the 4090 Suprim X in any time soon?

The rest of my build basket is ready to go, but don't really want to order from another supplier on the GPU if I don't have to.
 
Jay-G25 said:
Well it does as your original point is 600w is only good for overclocking and 450w is fine , i have shown you 2 use cases and explained another where the card will happily consume over 500w in games . I have also explained what happens when you are power limited and that is the core clock will drop and you lose performance as a result which is what would happen if you use the supplied Nvidia 4 x 8 pin cable but then only plug in 3 of the 4 , the card will be limited to 450W.

Higher still = better even with this generation , i have yet to see a stock 4090 come anywhere close to an overclocked 4090 in any benchmark. we have enough benchmark threads on this forum for you to see this yourself , not 1 stock 4090 at the top.
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I didn't say stock did I.

the 4090 is not watt limited but vcore limited when it comes to overclocking.... that's why more watts doesn't mean more performance

and you still ignore my point... borderline full regard.....


check the power limit for yourself and see how it barely effects FPS after 400w or just keep ignoring it and living in blissful ignorance.
 
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arknor said:
I didn't say stock did I.

the 4090 is not watt limited but vcore limited when it comes to overclocking.... that's why more watts doesn't mean more performance

and you still ignore my point... borderline full regard.....


check the power limit for yourself and see how it barely effects FPS after 400w or just keep ignoring it and living in blissful ignorance.
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you are saying 450w is fine which is stock , i am telling you it will lose performance and will be power limited , The 4090 is both power and voltage limited in certain games , you can remove one of those and still increase performance and core clock with it . Same games i done earlier only difference being i have set the power to 450w , now have less fps and core wont even go over 3000Mhz , take a look at hardware info and as i knew power and voltage limited . only a few fps but i ask you again why would i want lower fps when i am not even hitting the fps cap !

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Jay-G25 said:
you are saying 450w is fine which is stock , i am telling you it will lose performance and will be power limited , The 4090 is both power and voltage limited in certain games , you can remove one of those and still increase performance and core clock with it . Same games i done earlier only difference being i have set the power to 450w , now have less fps and core wont even go over 3000Mhz , take a look at hardware info and as i knew power and voltage limited . only a few fps but i ask you again why would i want lower fps when i am not even hitting the fps cap !
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yea and look how much your FPS changed.

535watt @ 82fps
changes to
431watt @ 77fps

so literally 5fps for 100watts

514watt @ 92fps
Changes to
427watt 88fps
and 4fps for 87 watts

is it really worth going above 450watt? even going above 375watts barely makes a difference like in the chart I showed


Howling said:
Wait... how are you increasing voltage without increasing power? Did physics suddenly stop being physics with the 40x0 series?
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arknor said:
yea and look how much your FPS changed.

535watt @ 82fps
changes to
431watt @ 77fps

so literally 5fps for 100watts

514watt @ 92fps
Changes to
427watt 88fps
and 4fps for 87 watts

is it really worth going above 450watt? even going above 375watts barely makes a difference like in the chart I showed
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I don't want lower FPS and would hazard a guess 99% of other people who own a 4090 don't want lower fps either apart from yourself :cry: Personally i let the card use what it needs , if it needs 600w then it can have it but if i am playing say MW2 in mp at 120fps then i run with vsync and the card will only consume 250w , i have no interest in the card burning power for the fun of it but it if needs it for an uplift in performance then so be it ergo its useful having a 600w bios on hand for those situations when needed no matter how small the gains may be.
 
Jay-G25 said:
Oh I've never heard of having to apply it twice ... personally i just done it the once on my Strix and was solid throughout the year temp wise :)
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Usually what LM does - is it becomes one with the ihs and the cooler, it closes the microscopic gaps between them. So if you open your GPU now youll see that there is clearly some LM "missing" compared to when you first applied it. After the 1st application the gaps are filled, so with the 2nd application youll get better temps and more longevity.
 
I remember running a custom LN2 bios on the GTX 480, I was constantly hammering 350+w through it at 930mhz core, it was a hell of a fast card and was topping mildy overclocked 580's, died 4 years late.

If you want top performance, don't let others dictate to you but as an older version of myself, I do see that 100 watts for 5 FPS is a waste.
 
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Bencher said:
Usually what LM does - is it becomes one with the ihs and the cooler, it closes the microscopic gaps between them. So if you open your GPU now youll see that there is clearly some LM "missing" compared to when you first applied it. After the 1st application the gaps are filled, so with the 2nd application youll get better temps and more longevity.
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Very interesting , never knew that :)
 
Jay-G25 said:
I don't have Cyberpunk but would like to know what the card consumes at 4K native with its raytracing set to max ? Yes you can lower the power but it will also knock off performance .. when the card isn't even hitting my max refresh rate why on earth would i cap the performance by power limiting it ?
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410 to 450w native + ultra + RT cyberpunk. Im power limited to 450, so I assume it can go over that
 
Tired9 said:
I remember running a custom LN2 bios on the GTX 480, I was constantly hammering 350+w through it at 930mhz core, it was a hell of a fast card and was topping mildy overclocked 580's, died 4 years late.

If you want top performance, don't let others dictate to you but as an older version of myself, I do see that 100 watts for 5 FPS is a waste.
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I would say it depends on the framerate of the game you are playing ... i wouldn't care about 5 fps if the avg was say 240+ but if it is down at say 80 fps then there is a case for it feeling better ... I don't play cyberpunk but from what i see it hammers the 4090 at native 4k with RT and im sure most wouldn't complain about an extra 5fps in that scenario ;)
 
For anyone affected, I had the occaisional black screen boot issue the 4090 can suffer from with certain UEFI motherboards. I applied the NVidia fix and all sorted now, was very quick and hassle free.
 
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@Gibbo what are Zotac like generally speed wise for repairs? Where does it have to go back to? My 4090 Airo was crashing the PC after 5 minutes of Reqiem and it was outside the 30 days easy returns window, grrr.
 
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Andydigital said:
@Gibbo what are Zotac like generally speed wise for repairs? Where does it have to go back to? My 4090 Airo was crashing the PC after 5 minutes of Reqiem and it was outside the 30 days easy returns window, grrr.
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Doubt it's RMA time - was it working OK and now it's not? What type of crash - BSOD, balnk screen then reboot.

Use event viwer to see what the crash was at the time.
 
Woodsta888 said:
Doubt it's RMA time - was it working OK and now it's not? What type of crash - BSOD, balnk screen then reboot.

Use event viwer to see what the crash was at the time.
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It's already been returned through OC, hence the question how long. Overclockers have already confirmed it as faulty and sent it to Zotac.
 
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