NVIDIA 4000 Series

[kalniel]

Creative called from the 90s and would like their EAX back

 

[Bill Turnip]

That's the thing though, because ray traced audio is supposed to be so natural, you should not be actively be trying to notice it because your brain is taking it all in naturally without you having to think you're in a game and then focusing on a ceratin thing. The overall experience is immersion, if you're in the "zone" whilst playing both audibly and visually then surely that's job done for the audio side of things. Graphics are a side thing because you are always going to be looking at a screen right in front of you so you know you're looking at a game, but turn the lights off and play the game you should feel your surroundings and everything enevlope you as you play, but naturally, not artificially like with other game audio effects like we've had in the past.

For me I am super looking forward to Calisto for this very reason. I don't have a sound card in my PC but instead a stereo USB DAC/Amp and a pair of mid-field speakers. In most things I play or watch the surround effect is pretty substantial and you can pick off where stuff is all around you, but only when the creators of that content apply some thought into how that audio is positioned. Stereo can very easily give you a full surround sound natural feel (look up holophonic audio on youtube and play back some of those example as evidence).

Couldn't agree more with the first paragraph, although the example of Forza 5 does not complete the immersion for me in the same way that F122 does.

I'm not so much a believer in stereo being able to give a surround natural feel - To me, it just doesn't work in gameplay. When I'm not at work I'll look up the holophonic bits you mentioned though.

 

[mrk]

Definitely check it out! I did iti myself using a Rode microphone that captures sound from all angles a couple years ago to test out the effect and it is pretty impressive.

Here are a couple of examples:

 

[eddyr]

Stereo can very easily give you a full surround sound natural feel (look up holophonic audio on youtube and play back some of those example as evidence).

Thanks for that. I dropped 'holophonic audio on youtube' into google, and blindly clicked the first one not seeing that it was Psychiatric Hospital - Madness (one you linked above).

Mounting frustration, brief hang on wtf is this, swiftly followed by holy **** my heart!

 

[mrk]

Yeah that bit is a bit shocking for those hearing it first time

 

[tommybhoy]

Hey Nexus, I hope you've been drinking plenty of water and wearing your sun screen because the only thing you've been doing all day is moving goal posts and we all know how hot it has been out there.

If people thought 8gb was going to be enough for 4k and even 1440p going forward then they only fooled themselves tbph.

don't know tbh as got/had no interest in the 3070 because it was crippled with slow 8gb vram

'debunks' himself in disagreement when I said the 3070 struggled/ran out of vram@1440p on multiple titles.

Not to mention the arse falling out of my 3080@1440p never mind 4K with NV's branded RE2 when you turn on RT'ing.

Never seen anyone so fixated on defending GPUs that run out of vram, it's unhealthy in this heat

 

[Troezar]

Definitely check it out! I did iti myself using a Rode microphone that captures sound from all angles a couple years ago to test out the effect and it is pretty impressive.

Here are a couple of examples:

That's impressive, sound is underutilised, can make a huge difference.

 

[mrk]

Agreed and I've been saying it for years! Ever since I ditched Soundblaster/Xonar and went dedicated HIFi audio for my PC audio needs it has been a game changer for immersion. I always felt the 3d audio in soundcards etc always felt a bit unnatural - But the moment I went dedicated audio, not game geared audio and turned off any effects engines etc, it all changed and this new sort of world opened up, at the same time it also improved my music listening which was very welcome.

You don't have to spend a whole lot either to get that sort of experience/immersion - We aren't talking audiophile levels of spending here of course, but given how much folks spend on GFX/RAM/CPUs etc, this is pennies by comparison and arguably in my view, sound plays an even bigger role over visual in many situations!

 

[Troezar]

Agreed and I've been saying it for years! Ever since I ditched Soundblaster/Xonar and went dedicated HIFi audio for my PC audio needs it has been a game changer for immersion. I always felt the 3d audio in soundcards etc always felt a bit unnatural - But the moment I went dedicated audio, not game geared audio and turned off any effects engines etc, it all changed and this new sort of world opened up, at the same time it also improved my music listening which was very welcome.

You don't have to spend a whole lot either to get that sort of experience/immersion - We aren't talking audiophile levels of spending here of course, but given how much folks spend on GFX/RAM/CPUs etc, this is pennies by comparison and arguably in my view, sound plays an even bigger role over visual in many situations!

What gear do you use?

 

[jonneymendoza]

Agreed and I've been saying it for years! Ever since I ditched Soundblaster/Xonar and went dedicated HIFi audio for my PC audio needs it has been a game changer for immersion. I always felt the 3d audio in soundcards etc always felt a bit unnatural - But the moment I went dedicated audio, not game geared audio and turned off any effects engines etc, it all changed and this new sort of world opened up, at the same time it also improved my music listening which was very welcome.

You don't have to spend a whole lot either to get that sort of experience/immersion - We aren't talking audiophile levels of spending here of course, but given how much folks spend on GFX/RAM/CPUs etc, this is pennies by comparison and arguably in my view, sound plays an even bigger role over visual in many situations!

I just slapped on a midi HiFi system on my pc and away we go. tried and proven tech thats been rock solid for 25+ years mate

Something like this. Job ******* done mate!

 

[mrk]

Hah decades ago we had that hifi, the one with the minidisc and 3 disc CD changer on top

What gear do you use?

NAD D 3045 amp, Kef Q300 speakers and headphones are Sennheiser HD650

 

[Nexus18]

'debunks' himself in disagreement when I said the 3070 struggled/ran out of vram@1440p on multiple titles.

Not to mention the arse falling out of my 3080@1440p never mind 4K with NV's branded RE2 when you turn on RT'ing.

Never seen anyone so fixated on defending GPUs that run out of vram, it's unhealthy in this heat

Oh would you look at that, selectively quoting bits rather than the whole/relevant posts to suit the narrative, what a surprise

Lets take a look at the games in question you were referring to where I was questioning your "vram issues" shall we:

The RT Related Games, Benchmarks, Software, Etc Thread.

The 3070 should've launched with 12GB, Same with the 3080, Nvidia keep doing this every gen with too little memory unless you buy their silly priced high end models, 16GB though for the 3070 is just a marketing checkbox. Exactly. No doubt a 16GB 3070ti will be better than a 3070 8GB because 8GB...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

This is what happens folks when you can't debunk the debunker, resort to one liners and having to change the topic to something else or selectively quote things to suit the narrative

I still stand by that 8gb is not enough for 4k and 1440p "going forward", again, this I have never questioned, however, how many titles do we have out there having "serious" issues because of "solely" 8gb vram on the 3070? (when using settings that said card is capable of in the first place). Again, just to make clear for you, I have only "disputed" your supposed listed games and the settings being used, funny how no one else or other reviewers have highlighted issues in those games either though eh.... sorry I forgot mindshare/shills.....



PS. I got RE 2 too and it seemed to play fine on my end, in fact, I forgot to upload my footage for whoever it was that had the 3070 mentioning fps crashing at a specific spot, here you go, iirc, there is one moment of fps drop/frame spike either in the 1440p or 4k but not in both:

"arse falling out of my 3080@1440P, never mind 4k" my ass.... Oh sorry, maybe I need to play for 5, 6, 7, 8 (?) hours straight though....

Now what I do remember in DF testing was amd once again suffering with even the smallest bit of RT and using "optimised" settings but nope, "zOMG VRAM"





As said before m8, check your system or go console where you don't have to figure out what settings your gpu is capable of

I like to think of it as "fixated on debunking clueless posters with no substance/evidence to back up their claims"

 

[gpuerrilla]

'debunks' himself in disagreement when I said the 3070 struggled/ran out of vram@1440p on multiple titles.

Never seen anyone so fixated on defending GPUs that run out of vram, it's unhealthy in this heat

Its why it rears its head in multiple threads, the guy constantly bangs on about it then accuses others of obscure factoids as he moves about the goal posts. I think there is more than a handful of posters on here now that get it. The sole reason he argues with folk tends to be that they either own a 3090 (jealous) or have an opinion (shock horror) about the hardware. When the common denominator in the broken record becomes the same individual then you know where the problem is.

Not really sure what people are arguing about..

Personally I upgraded from a 2070 Super and only the 3080 Ti made sense logically and literally. None of the other models below it offered a worthwhile performance gain for the money. The Ti however has been night and day as an upgrade.

Very bold statement my friend!

I know you have the AW monitor, I think maybe debunker has it too. Will have to see if the 3080 regular sticks around long enough to drive that display!

 

[mrk]

I figured based on weighing things up and looking at reviews that the Ti offered the uplift I was looking for!

 

[Nexus18]

Its why it rears its head in multiple threads, the guy constantly bangs on about it then accuses others of obscure factoids as he moves about the goal posts. I think there is more than a handful of posters on here now that get it. The sole reason he argues with folk tends to be that they either own a 3090 (jealous) or have an opinion (shock horror) about the hardware. When the common denominator in the broken record becomes the same individual then you know where the problem is.

Coming from the guy who just echoes other peoples posts and uses their posts to backup his claims and never posts anything about the topic at hand I might have to dig out the hilarious cyberpunk vs far cry comparison again

As wrinkly once said, need a name change to gullible, that or embarrassing is more appropriate.

Can you link me to my posts where I come across as "jealous" about 3090? I think you are getting confused again, it's called pointing out the obvious that the extra performance you get for the cost outlay isn't worth it (as attested to by every single tech press and even majority of the owners, even as confessed by yourself and the only reason you got one was cause the gf/wife "ok" it followed by mining to recoup the cost ) especially when the mid tier card from the nextgen range will match/beat it for a far cheaper price as history has shown us, if that's called being jealous, maybe you need to go and check the dictionary to see what jealous means

Opinion? I got no problem with opinions, the problem is people who "insist" on certain things without any evidence/substance to backup their claims.

If you can learn the difference.... you will go far in life.

It's why I link to amds own reddit more often now as you get a far better user base there who can articulate their posts well with evidence to backup their claims unlike the mess your small cult (tommy, matt, yourself) provide on here i.e. attack the poster rather than the content, one liners galore, selectively quoting to fit the narrative.

I know you have the AW monitor, I think maybe debunker has it too. Will have to see if the 3080 regular sticks around long enough to drive that display!

Getting more convinced you have a hard time with reading.

I've stated why I am already set on upgrading:

- to get as close to 175hz/fps @ 3440x1440
- better RT performance, even an extra 25/30fps will be a sizeable jump as it'll bring for example DL 2 fps from 70-80fps to my ideal fps of 100/110+

Can you show me where even a 3090 can achieve this despite having all the extra vram that supposedly helps so much?

Also, if you had read mrk's op, you would also see he is considering upgrading his 3080ti to a 40xx for the same reason of possibly wanting more "grunt" in order to achieve "max RT settings"

Hmm depending onw hat Calisto Protocol etc runs like, think I will go with a 4080 Ti if the 3080 Ti is unable to maintain maximum RTX/settings at 3440x1440 in games like that later this year. I think it pretty damn well should though.

@mrk

If your 3080ti can't achieve max settings at an acceptable frame rate @ 3440x1440 (I'm not sure what is acceptable to you?), will you be upgrading to the 40xx?

 

[Nexus18]

I figured based on weighing things up and looking at reviews that the Ti offered the uplift I was looking for!

IMO (this is what you call an opinion @gullible), 3080ti didn't have a worthwhile performance lead for the extra outlay over a £650 3080 (assuming you paid the TI MSRP of £1049?), however, it was a much more attractive buy than the 3090 at £1399, given how close a 3080ti is to the 3090.

 

[mrk]

With this monitor, even 50fps feels more than acceptable (feels like 90-100fps on the old LCD monitor) given how fast the pixel response is and how well gsync ultimate seems to work, so for me that would be the minimum fps I would be looking for. Considering even Cyberpunk ran above 60fps with RTX set to Psycho, I think most future games should be well above this I would say. Unreal Engine 5 is the only question mark as I have no experience with it and all current demos of it are in instances where the engine is not yet optimised so it's impossible to know how the end product in an actual game will perform until later in the year when stuff hits the store fronts I guess.

IMO (this is what you call an opinion @gullible), 3080ti didn't have a worthwhile performance lead for the extra outlay over a £650 3080 (assuming you paid the TI MSRP of £1049?), however, it was a much more attractive buy than then 3090 at £1399 given how close a 3080ti is to the 3090.

Oh yeah this is what I mean, compared to a 3090 Ti, the 3080 Ti is only 2% slower in real world gaming yet costs considerably less. The £1049 for the FE I paid felt well worth it in that regards and you couldn't actually buy a 3080 for £650 anywhere at the time either so I went for the best logical option which was the 3080 Ti. The only other options available at the time were 3070 Ti and that was it, and that card was not a sizeable increase over the 2070 Super, even if it was in the £470 range and in stock so I knocked that off my shopping list a long while before anyway.

 

[Bill Turnip]

Can you link me to my posts where I come across as "jealous" about 3090? I think you are getting confused again, it's called pointing out the obvious that the extra performance you get for the cost outlay isn't worth it (as attested to by every single tech press and even majority of the owners, even as confessed by yourself and the only reason you got one was cause the gf/wife "ok" it followed by mining to recoup the cost ) especially when the mid tier card from the nextgen range will match/beat it for a far cheaper price as history has shown us, if that's called being jealous, maybe you need to go and check the dictionary to see what jealous means

Opinion? I got no problem with opinions, the problem is people who "insist" on certain things without any evidence/substance to backup their claims.

Calm down chap, all friends here...

He found a way to get a better item by spending more, then offsetting it? That seems fairly sensible to me. I agree that the uplift is not worth the money, but if the money wasn't paid that's a free uplift. That's a good thing.

With regards opinion, A few of us tried Far Cry 6 with full textures and had major issues. You don't seem to, and that's brilliant, but there was never an explanation as far as I recall, just a direction to Reddit saying "what about all of these?", whilst ignoring people here saying the opposite. All had evidence all anecdotal, but real life, experienced evidence.

 

[Nexus18]

With this monitor, even 50fps feels more than acceptable (feels like 90-100fps on the old LCD monitor) given how fast the pixel response is and how well gsync ultimate seems to work, so for me that would be the minimum fps I would be looking for. Considering even Cyberpunk ran above 60fps with RTX set to Psycho, I think most future games should be well above this I would say. Unreal Engine 5 is the only question mark as I have no experience with it and all current demos of it are in instances where the engine is not yet optimised so it's impossible to know how the end product in an actual game will perform until later in the year when stuff hits the store fronts I guess.



Oh yeah this is what I mean, compared to a 3090 Ti, the 3080 Ti is only 2% slower in real world gaming yet costs considerably less. The £1049 for the FE I paid felt well worth it in that regards and you couldn't actually buy a 3080 for £650 anywhere at the time either so I went for the best logical option which was the 3080 Ti. The only other options available at the time were 3070 Ti and that was it, and that card was not a sizeable increase over the 2070 Super, even if it was in the £470 range and in stock so I knocked that off my shopping list a long while before anyway.

Thanks for confirming that

Completely agree with all of that, this qd-oled is a game changer for motion clarity at lower fps range and input lag feel.

Calm down chap, all friends here...

He found a way to get a better item by spending more, then offsetting it? That seems fairly sensible to me. I agree that the uplift is not worth the money, but if the money wasn't paid that's a free uplift. That's a good thing.

With regards opinion, A few of us tried Far Cry 6 with full textures and had major issues. You don't seem to, and that's brilliant, but there was never an explanation as far as I recall, just a direction to Reddit saying "what about all of these?", whilst ignoring people here saying the opposite. All had evidence all anecdotal, but real life, experienced evidence.

I am perfectly calm and enjoying the coolness in the weather here now It seems it is the others who are getting tetchy as per usual with resorting to the one liners. I can fight fire with fire too

I haven't said there is anything wrong with that method, I'm disputing the bit about being "jealous" i.e. it is getting confused again.

As for fc 6 bit, I never disputed those who had had issues, after all we had footage, I just stated things, which "might" be causing their issues and that I didn't have it (nor the crashing issues which were reported and put down to vram) and other sites (apart from 2 tech press sites) hadn't reported it but we had people insisting that "everyone" would be experiencing it (even at 1440P), that's what I disputed given I uploaded my footage and even said when I forced rebar on is then when I had issues. It was like with the texture rendering issue plaguing the game, which did effect "everyone" to some degree but certain people were insistent on it being down to not enough vram, fast forward to the patch that fixed that issue Same with the graphical artifacts in my videos being put down to "not enough vram", fast forward to a nvidia driver update which fixed this Same way all the posts where we had 3090 users reporting fps drops in the game were also ignored.

That's where I and @chrcoluk have stated there needs to be more thorough, educational and in depth testing on vram topics as too many people clearly don't fully grasp it.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Oh yeah this is what I mean, compared to a 3090 Ti, the 3080 Ti is only 2% slower in real world gaming yet costs considerably less. The £1049 for the FE I paid felt well worth it in that regards and you couldn't actually buy a 3080 for £650 anywhere at the time either so I went for the best logical option which was the 3080 Ti. The only other options available at the time were 3070 Ti and that was it, and that card was not a sizeable increase over the 2070 Super, even if it was in the £470 range and in stock so I knocked that off my shopping list a long while before anyway.

He thumbed this up. Most of his digs over the past 10 months or so have been about buying an overpriced card compared to the 3080FE. Particularly the part I bolded, hence the inconsistency. If the face fits you get a thumbs up. He conveniently misses off the part that from mining the card has put me in credit - so he still thinks it cost £1399 whereas the real figures are akin to getting given the card in Nov '21 and a chunk of cash. Why on earth this is anything anyone would be bitter about is incomprehensible. I certainly enjoy playing games on it, win-win.

Calm down chap, all friends here...

He found a way to get a better item by spending more, then offsetting it? That seems fairly sensible to me. I agree that the uplift is not worth the money, but if the money wasn't paid that's a free uplift. That's a good thing.

With regards opinion, A few of us tried Far Cry 6 with full textures and had major issues. You don't seem to, and that's brilliant, but there was never an explanation as far as I recall, just a direction to Reddit saying "what about all of these?", whilst ignoring people here saying the opposite. All had evidence all anecdotal, but real life, experienced evidence.

Its a personal chip he has on the shoulder, weird thing to have but what can you do except add him to the ignore list. As you have see on multiple threads with a handful of other posters he likes to argue about tunnel vision things. Once again - be like Bill.