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Huh, price on the FEs has dropped. £100 off the 4090 and £70 off the 4080. Good luck seeing the 4090 in stock though.
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Yes 4090 down £100. Prob thanks to the rising £.
Some good news
Wake me up when it gets to £900.
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Summer/Autumn 2024 when people are selling off their 4090's ready for the 5090
Unless there's an amazing game that comes out, runs poorly on a 4090 and well on a 5090 - cant see anyone wanting them. VR & Sim folk maybe. Cant see what else you need for 4k 120hz other than a 4090. Benchers to get the next highest score maybe. 3000 series and 4000 series are plenty for 99% of gamers at 1440p & 4k high hz. Maybe if 8k becomes a thing.
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Nvidia and AMD badly need this to happen at some point soon, top cards are just becoming too powerful for current res/hz combos.
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Neither brand can run "proper" raytracing at 60+fps at even 2560 or 4K, they are nowhere near being able to do so at 8K.
Inserting fake frames to completely screw over your latency does not count.
They also need to do it at prices "normal" gamers will want to pay, they can't rely solely on a couple hundred thousand units of GPU at £1600 to run their business, they aren't generating $6bn per quarter off just 4090 sales any time soon.
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People said similar about 30 series and previous generations too.
Whatever GPU power is available, devs will find a way to use it.
Ultimately, PC gamming is a cheap hobby (yes even at 4090 prices) so will always be a market for top end GPU's.
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Prices gamers will want to pay. Good point -but there are many levels of gamers. Having an expensive gfx card isn't gonna make you a better gamer - more comfortable and more atmospheric experience maybe. 4090's aren't aimed at the average gamer nor the 4080 somewhat. But people wanting to drive an expensive high hz/high res monitor need to get their wallet out or downgrade their expectations. No one NEEDS any of this. 4k was worthless as 1440p was plenny a while back.
Plenty of people happy to pay £500+ fopr a CPU, £500+ for MOBO, £300+ for a PSU - all these components have crept up massively over the past few years but only the GPU gets the vitriol. You don't need more than a £350 CPU or £250 MOBO, but seeing plenty of 'gamer' folk owning these but squeaking about gfx card prices. Unless you have a high resolution & refresh rate panel to run, Which again will be £700+ You don't need either of the 4000 series. They are niche cards and if you have an exacting game that is 'your' gaming then you'll need a card to compliment the game & resolution you are playing at. These are enthusiast cards - unless you are top end with the rest of your system for either benching or a game that benefits from these cards - you don't need one. Lots of complaints around wanting to have the best on a forum but many use requirements seen by owners not actually requiring it. Bet all mountain bikers want a 5-£10k bike - wont make them better. Or play the next best golf course. The entitlement of expecting all the top end stuff in whatever pastime for cheap is futile. You either afford it - or can't.
Lots of this is around being unable to afford the latest and greatest - many of which isn't required for 99% of gamers. Whet RT came out PLENTY on here don't care about raytracing - and it's still about pure raster performance. Hard to say these cards are all but useless because they cant do proper ray tracing - no game is fully raytraced as a medium of rendering anyway. 4k is plenty as are high hz high res VR headsets. Match your gear to the game if it's a must. But most games that people go on about that cards cant run CP2077, MSFS2020 or FC6 were all released in a terrible state anyway. You dont make cards for a few poorly written games. You make games for the cards available.
For 4000 owners this whole thread is useless for discussing any news etc - or hard to find anything useful - as it's full of people price whining. Yes, they are expensive - making yourself feel better by calling scalpers stupid or people paying these hhigh prices as stupid - when essentially you just cant afford high end gaming. Happy to pay for silly priced CPU's and MOBO's though - both offering nothing but measurable gains in a bench when the proper money should go on a gfx card if you are a gamer. Benchers have their own hobby and will pay much more for the top cards - which are 100's for near as makes no difference in performance. All cards clock way over their advertised boost clocks, only benchers need be interested in the top end cards - well that was until this series where the gamerocks seem to perform exceptionally well for forum benchers.
Plenty of people happy to pay £500+ fopr a CPU, £500+ for MOBO, £300+ for a PSU - all these components have crept up massively over the past few years but only the GPU gets the vitriol. You don't need more than a £350 CPU or £250 MOBO, but seeing plenty of 'gamer' folk owning these but squeaking about gfx card prices. Unless you have a high resolution & refresh rate panel to run, Which again will be £700+ You don't need either of the 4000 series. They are niche cards and if you have an exacting game that is 'your' gaming then you'll need a card to compliment the game & resolution you are playing at. These are enthusiast cards - unless you are top end with the rest of your system for either benching or a game that benefits from these cards - you don't need one. Lots of complaints around wanting to have the best on a forum but many use requirements seen by owners not actually requiring it. Bet all mountain bikers want a 5-£10k bike - wont make them better. Or play the next best golf course. The entitlement of expecting all the top end stuff in whatever pastime for cheap is futile. You either afford it - or can't.
Lots of this is around being unable to afford the latest and greatest - many of which isn't required for 99% of gamers. Whet RT came out PLENTY on here don't care about raytracing - and it's still about pure raster performance. Hard to say these cards are all but useless because they cant do proper ray tracing - no game is fully raytraced as a medium of rendering anyway. 4k is plenty as are high hz high res VR headsets. Match your gear to the game if it's a must. But most games that people go on about that cards cant run CP2077, MSFS2020 or FC6 were all released in a terrible state anyway. You dont make cards for a few poorly written games. You make games for the cards available.
For 4000 owners this whole thread is useless for discussing any news etc - or hard to find anything useful - as it's full of people price whining. Yes, they are expensive - making yourself feel better by calling scalpers stupid or people paying these hhigh prices as stupid - when essentially you just cant afford high end gaming. Happy to pay for silly priced CPU's and MOBO's though - both offering nothing but measurable gains in a bench when the proper money should go on a gfx card if you are a gamer. Benchers have their own hobby and will pay much more for the top cards - which are 100's for near as makes no difference in performance. All cards clock way over their advertised boost clocks, only benchers need be interested in the top end cards - well that was until this series where the gamerocks seem to perform exceptionally well for forum benchers.
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Just had a look on the Telegram thread and is it really right that no UK 4090FE drops have happened for weeks now? Perhaps drying them up even more now as the 4080 needs help selling as well as the Ampere stock!
After putting my 3090FE in my second PC I thought I would pop my like new EVGA 2080ti Black on Gumtree the other day. Posted it and by the time I walked across the house I had a guy wanting to collect it right away, sold and collected in under an hour.
After putting my 3090FE in my second PC I thought I would pop my like new EVGA 2080ti Black on Gumtree the other day. Posted it and by the time I walked across the house I had a guy wanting to collect it right away, sold and collected in under an hour.
Realistically, the 4090 is for upcoming 2023 games on things like UE5. It may seem overkill now, but things are about to get a lot more demanding.
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How many games released in 2023 are going to be on UE5?
The real question is how many games will release in 2023 and not require 6months+ to fix.
I don't even know what games are out next year , GTA is likely 2 years away (4yrs for pc ).
A star wars game maybe and a blue far cry game.
Yup, nothing for ages.
Just saw some drops in Europe this morning so perhaps we’ll finally see some more this week. Supply has definitely been lower than I expected - I thought a month or two after launch it wouldn’t be too hard to pick up a 4090FE…
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A fair few AAA ones from what I can see plus Calisto Protocol already hobbles a 4080
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Yeah that's not exactly a good sign.
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Callisto Protocol doesn't look like a good game going from Skillups review, it looks great but the game is one long corridor, poor combat, poor story, poor characters, and also poor performance and bad stuttering.
I do not recommend: The Callisto Protocol
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That game already had to have a stability patch. CAme out last week. Games released these days are beta's at best. Using the first weeks performance as the requirement to run it is futile. Poorly optimized on release - like all games, particularly from the big devs or "AAA"........ It'll run on much less well, in about 6 months.
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That doesn't change its hardware demands though does it. These cards are only a couple months old and already there are games out that will require them for 4K and at 60fps, not 120 or 144! Whilst I expect Callisto will get better with patches it doesn't change the fact it is only 2022!Callisto Protocol doesn't look like a good game going from Skillups review, it looks great but the game is one long corridor, poor combat, poor story, poor characters, and also poor performance and bad stuttering.
I do not recommend: The Callisto Protocol
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So you suggest spending £1.6k plus is a good idea to play a poor game?
It's only 2022? Oh now that's a reach, it's Dec 5th today.
No need to justify your purchase if you're happy with it!
