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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Wise Old Owl said:
That doesn't change its hardware demands though does it. These cards are only a couple months old and already there are games out that will require them for 4K and at 60fps, not 120 or 144! Whilst I expect Callisto will get better with patches it doesn't change the fact it is only 2022!
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Could see your point if they graphically looked much better than other games. It just doesn't. Devs are using available processing power as a lazy way of poorly writing games.

CP2077 - rubbish on release and cancelled from one of the consoles it was so bad.

MSFS2020 still dunno why they programme it for a single core on multicore CPU's

FC6 - looked poor on release texture wise. Released a texture pack (fix) and required massive amounts of VRAM 16GB + which at the time were cards +£1000

If you buy a game on release - you are basically a beta tester and get charged MSRP for the privilege. I NEVER buy a game on release - not paying for the dribble shipped out on release. How can you get immersed in a poorly running game?
 
Woodsta888 said:
Could see your point if they graphically looked much better than other games. It just doesn't. Devs are using available processing power as a lazy way of poorly writing games.

CP2077 - rubbish on release and cancelled from one of the consoles it was so bad.

MSFS2020 still dunno why they programme it for a single core on multicore CPU's

FC6 - looked poor on release texture wise. Released a texture pack (fix) and required massive amounts of VRAM 16GB + which at the time were cards +£1000

If you buy a game on release - you are basically a beta tester and get charged MSRP for the privilege. I NEVER buy a game on release - not paying for the dribble shipped out on release. How can you get immersed in a poorly running game?
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I buy finished games at 1/3rd of their price a year or so later. Let others overpay for the priveledge of being an intern beta-tester.
 
"So you suggest spending £1.6k plus is a good idea to play a poor game?" .....That's not what I am saying at all and you know it.

"It's only 2022? Oh now that's a reach, it's Dec 5th today".... Is it 2022 or not? Is the game in question out or not? Have the new cards only just come out?

"No need to justify your purchase if you're happy with it!"..... it's a very good card and highly recommended if you can get an FE. I bought it for me because I wanted it, could easily afford it and it makes me money. I feel no need to justify its purchase to anyone nor care to do so.
 
Darujhistan said:
I buy finished games at 1/3rd of their price a year or so later. Let others overpay for the priveledge of being an intern beta-tester.
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With very few exceptions, this has been my strategy. I am not a child and my buying decisions are not dictated by a "must have, me me" attitude. Moreover, as mentioned, waiting a year or more allows the Devs to patch up their games, which more and more are buggy messes on release day.

I'm happy to let impatient gamers pay a premium and act as beta testers for buggy software.
 
Woodsta888 said:
If you buy a game on release - you are basically a beta tester and get charged MSRP for the privilege. I NEVER buy a game on release - not paying for the dribble shipped out on release. How can you get immersed in a poorly running game?
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This will continue being the case until some sort of regulatory body is established that forces studios to release fully finished games instead of the half finished offal we get that takes 6 months to a year+ to get into what it should be.
 
Dicehunter said:
This will continue being the case until some sort of regulatory body is established that forces studios to release fully finished games instead of the half finished offal we get that takes 6 months to a year+ to get into what it should be.
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Or people just refund garbage games. A law to require the option to refund a pre-order in the first 2 weeks after release would be nice as well.
 
Wise Old Owl said:
"So you suggest spending £1.6k plus is a good idea to play a poor game?" .....That's not what I am saying at all and you know it.

"It's only 2022? Oh now that's a reach, it's Dec 5th today".... Is it 2022 or not? Is the game in question out or not? Have the new cards only just come out?

"No need to justify your purchase if you're happy with it!"..... it's a very good card and highly recommended if you can get an FE. I bought it for me because I wanted it, could easily afford it and it makes me money. I feel no need to justify its purchase to anyone nor care to do so.
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If games released are pushing the IQ to be noticably better, then I could see your arguement. Unforutnatly, ulike the Crysis days - they arent. Remove RT and recent enhancements - games arent looking better relative to how they are running nor the power of the cards available. I aint paying for that. Other than that it's high res and high hz VRR that makes a game 'fee' a pleasure to play. Some cant do that well at all. Why would you build a game that needs a £1000+ game to play it. That's not a good way to get sales - and really you want people paying MSRP. Devs make most £ from Console sales I imagine. PC gaming is a poor port or an after thought as most sales are for the Console waster race.
 
Dicehunter said:
I think both should be put in place, This would force publishers to stop pushing the devs to release games in unfinished states.
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Who defines what makes a game "unfinished"? Any game, with any bug, on any hardware combo could be deemed "unfinished" by someone.

I think it's best to let each individual user decide if a game is close enough to flawless to spend their money. I certainly don't want government trying to write such definitions into law. There are too many variables.

The most I could support would be enforcement of some sort of refund policy.
 
Darujhistan said:
The hoops people will go through to justfiy spending getting on for 2K on a GPU (one game released in 2023, that isn't very good for example), when something costing less than half that is absolutely fine.

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Nobody needs to justify anything to anybody - you've made your point and it's trying my patience you constantly doing nothing but moaning at the price and trying to ridicule people who have bought 4090s. It is their choice. Time to move on.
 
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Darujhistan said:
The hoops people will go through to justfiy spending getting on for 2K on a GPU (one game released in 2023, that isn't very good for example), when something costing less than half that is absolutely fine.

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In all fairness no one needs to justify spending their money to anyone, It's their money. If someone wanted to spend £10,000 on a liquid nitrogen frozen Himalayan yak turd encrusted in diamonds and then encased in a resin cube that is completely up to them, They do not need to justify it to anyone.
 
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@Major774 To play devil’s advocate, the 3090FE launched at £1399

If you pop £1399 into a UK inflation calculator here then £1399 back in October 2020 would be £1691 today so with the price cut it’s technically now cheaper in real terms than the 3090 was. Of course one could very well argue the msrp for the 3090 was over priced back then too, and post mining/pandemic it’s even more so…

Obviously the 4080 has a long way to fall to match previous gen.
 
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Dicehunter said:
In all fairness no one needs to justify spending their money to anyone, It's their money. If someone wanted to spend £10,000 on a liquid nitrogen frozen Himlayan yak turd encrusted in diamonds and then encased in a resin cube that is completely up to them, They do not need to justify it to anyone.
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True, but prices keep increasing exponentially...
 
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