NVIDIA 4000 Series

Eddie99 · 4 Dec 2022 at 01:30

andybird123 said:
Selling 2nd hand bits to your own children, that's a new one on me, sounds classy.

Selling at half the market rate is still a gift.

Dicehunter · 4 Dec 2022 at 01:50

andybird123 said:
Selling 2nd hand bits to your own children, that's a new one on me, sounds classy.

50% less than the market value is 1 hell of a bargain and is a good financial lesson.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2022 at 05:15

Dicehunter said:
Fair few of my friends smoke, Go out drinking and fairly often buy junk food, I do none of those things.

They are all ordinary working people and a fair few criticize me of my spending on my PC stuff yet they go out on the weekend and quite easily spend £300 in 1 night that they excrete the next morning or onto a pavement during the night, Not to mention the money they spend throughout the week on drinks during lunch, Packs of cigarettes etc... but apparently that's different....

Many people cannot manage their money and/or know deep inside that they fritter away their money on crap or bad habits which then triggers guilt and defensiveness when they see other people buying nice things. The trick in future is to never discuss your significant purchases, or their prices, with those kinds of family or friends. Just don't engage and change the subject.

andybird123 said:
Selling 2nd hand bits to your own children, that's a new one on me, sounds classy.

That is one ridiculos post. He did his step-son a favour by selling an expensive card to him at way below market price and you are dissing the guy? 'Sounds classy'.

Dicehunter · 4 Dec 2022 at 05:31

Richdog said:
Many people cannot manage their money and many people know deep inside that they fritter away their money on crap or bad habits which then triggers guilt and defensiveness when they see other people buying nice things. The trick in future is to never discuss your significant purchases, or their prices, with those kinds of friends. Just don't engage and change the subject.

Oh I don't speak to any of them about what I spend my wages and savings on, Learned that a while ago

andybird123 · 4 Dec 2022 at 06:57

Richdog said:
That is one ridiculos post. He did his step-son a favour by selling an expensive card to him at way below market price and you are dissing the guy? 'Sounds classy'.

Bait taken, thank you I had a good chuckle

Richdog · 4 Dec 2022 at 08:04

andybird123 said:
Bait taken, thank you I had a good chuckle

Weak.

gpuerrilla · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:02

*popcorn gif*

Chuk_Chuk · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:26

pete910 said:
Is it not in their consumer law over there though ?

Returns in the UK are a goodwill gesture I believe. I think shops only need to accept a return for faulty items not because you don’t want it anymore.

Richdog · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:41

Chuk_Chuk said:
Returns in the UK are a goodwill gesture I believe. I think shops only need to accept a return for faulty items not because you don’t want it anymore.

This is true. Leaving the EU weakened consumer rights in the UK https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

EDIT - Nope sorry not true, I read the wrong link!

andybird123 · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:43

Chuk_Chuk said:
Returns in the UK are a goodwill gesture I believe. I think shops only need to accept a return for faulty items not because you don’t want it anymore.

Goods bought in store are usually covered by a store policy but not legally binding (I mean, it is legally binding once they publish it to you as it becomes part of the contract at point of sale, but its not a legal requirement for a store to accept returns). Goods bought online have a legal 14 day cancellation/return period.

srekal34 · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:44

Thats NOT true for distance selling:

Online and distance selling

Rules for online and distance selling for businesses

www.gov.uk

Nothing was weakened with brexit regarding distance selling

If you have any problems with a retailer(for example applying "restock charge") just raise it with ombudsman. Works like a charm.

BTW "like new" does not mean unopened or unused. You have a right to check if the item suits you within reasonable limits - so you can plug in GPU and store does not have a right to refuse a return - regardless of what they write in T&C on their website - these are not legally enforceable for distance selling.

Thankfully OCUK are not that kind of business, but plenty of their competitors have such clause in T&C, which is just a laughable scare tactic.

andybird123 · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:46

Richdog said:
This is true. Leaving the EU weakened consumer rights in the UK https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

This is not true, read down a bit further, online sales are still covered by 14 day legal returns requirements

Aegis · 4 Dec 2022 at 09:57

andybird123 said:
Selling 2nd hand bits to your own children, that's a new one on me, sounds classy.

I'm not docking his pocket money - he's a grown-ass adult with a job and a family of his own.

He's been looking to upgrade for a while now but couldn't justify the (still) crazy new and 2nd-hand prices. He gets a stellar deal and I get some cash to go towards my next card - win-win!

Chuk_Chuk · 4 Dec 2022 at 10:24

srekal34 said:
Thats NOT true for distance selling:

Online and distance selling

Rules for online and distance selling for businesses

www.gov.uk

Nothing was weakened with brexit regarding distance selling

If you have any problems with a retailer(for example applying "restock charge") just raise it with ombudsman. Works like a charm.

BTW "like new" does not mean unopened or unused. You have a right to check if the item suits you within reasonable limits - so you can plug in GPU and store does not have a right to refuse a return - regardless of what they write in T&C on their website - these are not legally enforceable for distance selling.

Thankfully OCUK are not that kind of business, but plenty of their competitors have such clause in T&C, which is just a laughable scare tactic.

I had forgotten about the distance selling rule. Though it is only for 2 weeks.

andybird123 · 4 Dec 2022 at 10:25

Aegis said:
I'm not docking his pocket money - he's a grown-ass adult with a job and a family of his own. He's been looking to upgrade for a while now but couldn't justify the (still) crazy new and 2nd-hand prices. He gets a stellar deal and I get some cash to go towards my next card - win-win!

I was just pulling your leg, I knew some people on here would have a massive sense of humour failure though and glad to see OCUK didn't dissapoint

Tinek · 4 Dec 2022 at 14:05

Richdog said:
This is true. Leaving the EU weakened consumer rights in the UK https://www.gov.uk/accepting-returns-and-giving-refunds

No, it didn't. We still have distance selling regulations, nothing changed. From the same link you posted just bit lower than very beginning:
"Online, mail and telephone order customers have the right to cancel their order for a limited time even if the goods are not faulty. Sales of this kind are known as ‘distance selling’."

Tinek · 4 Dec 2022 at 14:07

Aegis said:
I'm not docking his pocket money - he's a grown-ass adult with a job and a family of his own. He's been looking to upgrade for a while now but couldn't justify the (still) crazy new and 2nd-hand prices. He gets a stellar deal and I get some cash to go towards my next card - win-win!

I sold a bunch of stuff to my younger brother, he was always very grateful for 50% discounts and products he got were always just about 1-1.5y old. He has a job and can pay for his toys.

Tinek · 4 Dec 2022 at 14:11

srekal34 said:
Thats NOT true for distance selling:

Online and distance selling

Rules for online and distance selling for businesses

www.gov.uk

Nothing was weakened with brexit regarding distance selling

If you have any problems with a retailer(for example applying "restock charge") just raise it with ombudsman. Works like a charm.

BTW "like new" does not mean unopened or unused. You have a right to check if the item suits you within reasonable limits - so you can plug in GPU and store does not have a right to refuse a return - regardless of what they write in T&C on their website - these are not legally enforceable for distance selling.

Thankfully OCUK are not that kind of business, but plenty of their competitors have such clause in T&C, which is just a laughable scare tactic.

I have never had to return things to ocuk, though i did start that process twice (and then changed mind). Didn't encounter any issues at that point but web notes take a while to receive any response. Competitors aren't much different in that regard though, from my experience.

Curtis vincent · 4 Dec 2022 at 15:26

andybird123 said:
Selling 2nd hand bits to your own children, that's a new one on me, sounds classy.

I gave my 3080ti with Special edition FE waterblock on to my gf for 500. She was really happy because buying one new even without a block would have been much more. would much rather give it cheap to a relative that knows you aren't going to mug them off, than sell it on ebay to a random and get barely any more money after the ebay tax anyway.
Really don't see the issue here.

Adrian1976 · 4 Dec 2022 at 18:05

So I've been messing about with the power level on my Inno Ichill and I think I've found my sweetspot.

I've limited the power to 80% but left power as priority in Afterburner (Unlinked to temp) not sure what difference that made if any.

Raised my core clock +175mhz and mem to +1000 and I've got exactly the same performance but it doesn't go over 357w I'm happy with that.

Tested that in an area of Cyberpunk where it was pushing 440w.

The core increase brought 99% almost all the performance back within 1 or 2 FPS and then the Vram brought back the remaining 1 or 2 FPS.

I was actually quite surprised the Vram increase didn't do more it was the core clock that made most of the difference.

I'm happy with an 88w saving all with 0 performance loss, Surprising why Nvidia pushed the power on these so hard, They really didn't need it!