NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Wintermute2]

Wintermute makes a good point the chips were in the hands of AIB so they can’t recut them to something lower.

Nvidia really shot themselves in the foot in the naming department with all this nonsense. So what price are they going to flog this for. The price brakcet they wanted is firmly occupied by AMD. Good luck trying to sell £700 4070ti (actually I don’t think they need it, it will probably sell). But it will look like terrible value next to the 3080.

I think we already knew, but there is confirmation on Tomshardware now that this is the same chip...

Vendor Confirms RTX 4070 Ti is a Resurrected RTX 4080 12GB

The GeForce RTX 4080 12GB is back!

www.tomshardware.com

 

[snout71]

Wow, what are you doing to have a bill that high and have you considered solar panels?

Two large houses on same plot(Edwardian), 6 children between ages of 9-18, all having pc’s, tablets, mobile phones (apart from 2 youngest) polestar electric car and all the kids keep leaving lights on and phone on charge overnight
i do have 6kw solar panel system, but will need much more

 

[Curtis vincent]

What's the warranty situation with the FE cards? If I sourced a 4090 from an EU country, would I be able to get warranty support in the UK or would I have to go back via the EU retailer?

Good luck trying to buy one, they won’t deliver outside of the country they are listed for. (I had the same thoughts initially lol)

 

[Vertigo]

Good luck trying to buy one, they won’t deliver outside of the country they are listed for. (I had the same thoughts initially lol)

As I said above, my sister lives in France so not an issue, just the hassle of returns should the need arise.

 

[Wintermute2]

...surely there has to be a 4090 FE drop in the UK today. Why ship to Spain, France and Italy where they are just sat in stock?!?!

 

[RBImGuy]

4090 lose 190fps with ray tracing in control
Not a buy either way

 

[Wintermute2]

4080 just dropped in Germany. That's no good for anyone!

 

[ltron]

Two large houses on same plot(Edwardian), 6 children between ages of 9-18, all having pc’s, tablets, mobile phones (apart from 2 youngest) polestar electric car and all the kids keep leaving lights on and phone on charge overnight
i do have 6kw solar panel system, but will need much more

Wow, I feel your pain. You are doing well to manage that situation.

 

[Joxeon]

I agree, but goodwill is finite even for Nvidia. So the next question becomes how much will this damage their brand and most importantly will AMD pounce.

Unfortunately consumers don't really have much choice now that nvidia has basically cornered the market and I can't see AMD offering anything much better in terms of price to performance if they use a 60 CU N32 die for the 7800XT which is a cut of 12CU's from the 6800XT so you'd be looking at around 30% more performance than a 6800 non XT or 15% more than 6800XT so about the same as the 4070ti.

 

[FlyingFish]

Going to be interesting to see what happens in the UK when the next 4090 FE drop comes , i do think they will sell out still but demand is clearly falling off .

I've got a feeling it will be crazy still. Sold out within minutes, and the poor 4080 sales is an indicator for that. There are going to be folk that took one look at the 4080 and thought sod that. For a few quid more you can get the 4090FE.

I could be wrong, but in the current market the 4090FE (in my mind) actually looks a good buy!

 

[Joxeon]

I could be wrong, but in the current market the 4090FE (in my mind) actually looks a good buy!

It no doubt does since the price has already dropped £100 since you bought one but the smart play is to wait it out as eventually Nvidia will be forced into a substantial price drop similar to what happened with the 3090ti.

 

[Jay-G25]

It no doubt does since the price has already dropped £100 since you bought one but the smart play is to wait it out as eventually Nvidia will be forced into a substantial price drop similar to what happened with the 3090ti.

The price reduction was due to the £ increasing against the $ which is what should happen , the cards haven't actually had a price cut as in the US they are still the same price just a price adjustment due to the exchange rate .

 

[Joxeon]

The price reduction was due to the £ increasing against the $ which is what should happen , the cards haven't actually had a price cut as in the US they are still the same price just a price adjustment due to the exchange rate .

Yeah but that's not to say Ada won't be seeing some price cuts next year once nvidia realise they need to start shifting cards, they can't keep drip fed low volume high price model going for long else by the time next gen arrives they will be sitting on more TSMC 5nm dies than they had Samsung 8nm at the start of this generation.

They would have pre-ordered TSMC 5nm during the mining boom and no doubt ordered a lot as they expected to be moving high volumes.

Just a 6 month drop off in sales this year has left them with a huge surplus of ampere dies so selling Ada at the rate they're doing right now would likely leave them a huge oversupply in proportions similar to that of ampere by as soon as April next year.

 

[Calin Banc]

5870 IIRC

Good card at the time.

in 1080p offered about 43% more performance for 60% price increase (compared to HD4890). https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ati-radeon-hd-5870/
Would a 7900xtx be good to offer 43% more performance than a 6900/6950xt, but costing $1600?

I think the best performance and price for the high end was with Hawai. R290/x offered about the same performance as $1000 Titan card at half the price and was fast enough in time to compete with two generations from nVIDIA (fine wine stuff). A 7900xtx equal to a 4090, but costing $799 while the 7900xt would be around $549 is another story and would definitely sell like crazy.

But with Hawai they've managed to send for reviews cards with terrible coolers...
So for AMD the problem was that it never had a good few launches tight together: price, performance, build quality and drivers. Without these is hard to gain back market share.

 

[Grim5]

in 1080p offered about 43% more performance for 60% price increase (compared to HD4890). https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ati-radeon-hd-5870/
Would a 7900xtx be good to offer 43% more performance than a 6900/6950xt, but costing $1600?

I think the best performance and price for the high end was with Hawai. R290/x offered about the same performance as $1000 Titan card at half the price and was fast enough in time to compete with two generations from nVIDIA (fine wine stuff). A 7900xtx equal to a 4090, but costing $799 while the 7900xt would be around $549 is another story and would definitely sell like crazy.

But with Hawai they've managed to send for reviews cards with terrible coolers...
So for AMD the problem was that it never had a good few launches tight together: price, performance, build quality and drivers. Without these is hard to gain back market share.

It's funny reading these reviews

In the power and temp section, the reviewer says "cooling modern GPUs is becoming more and more difficult". So I checked the numbers; oh the 5870 peaked at 140w haha, so I then thought ok it must run really cool, but oh no it's 82c haha

We've come a long way; today if you limit a high end GPU to 140w you get 30c - 40c. We've managed to make GPUs run 40 to 50c cooler without increasing noise over the last decade

 

[Needles]

Anyone any ideas on a PC rebooting when starting games? Have a 4090 Trinity OC and have replaced the PSU (originally had an 850w, bumped it to 1000w), reinstalled windows, updated mobs bios, installed latest drivers, reseated everything in the PC.

Tried a different GPU, no issue.

At my wits end.

 

[andybird123]

It's funny reading these reviews

In the power and temp section, the reviewer says "cooling modern GPUs is becoming more and more difficult". So I checked the numbers; oh the 5870 peaked at 140w haha, so I then thought ok it must run really cool, but oh no it's 82c haha

We've come a long way; today if you limit a high end GPU to 140w you get 30c - 40c. We've managed to make GPUs run 40 to 50c cooler without increasing noise over the last decade

By sticking bigger and bigger pieces of metal to them - even heat pipes were invented in 1944, they made it to GPU's in 2003

 

[Adrian1976]

Have you tried backing the core clock back 100mhz on the GPU core? I can't see that being an issue on ADA as they all seem overclockable somewhat a bit but out of curiosity just try it

Also what temps is the GPU at, All 3 fans spinning?

And is there anything in event log?

 

[snout71]

Anyone any ideas on a PC rebooting when starting games? Have a 4090 Trinity OC and have replaced the PSU (originally had an 850w, bumped it to 1000w), reinstalled windows, updated mobs bios, installed latest drivers, reseated everything in the PC.

Tried a different GPU, no issue.

At my wits end.

Is it a brand new card?
just wondering if it’s faulty

 

[RavenXXX2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600552853189410818