NVIDIA 4000 Series

Jay85 · 29 Dec 2022 at 09:48

TNA said:
Good. I am looking forward to the "Ampere friends, it is now safe to upgrade" speach in 2024

As for AMD. LOL. Soon Intel will have higher market share if they carry on like this. Nvidia gave them a bloody open goal and they missed it again. They should have named the 7900 XTX the 7800 XT and charged a reasonable price for it. But nope. They wanted to help improve the utter terrible 4080 sales instead

Couldn't have said it better tbh haha.

nomadd · 29 Dec 2022 at 09:53

TNA said:
Good. I am looking forward to the "Ampere friends, it is now safe to expensively upgrade" speach in 2024

FTFY.

Jay85 · 29 Dec 2022 at 09:53

thewanted said:
Oh, weird. The button was green but when I tried to add it to my basket it threw a big red error at the top of the page stating “This product is no longer available to add to basket”. I refreshed the store page and the green button had changed to “Out of stock”.

Nah its still in stock, just checked again. No problems adding it to basket at all.

Unless they do something about the price this product will be in stock forever :cry:

nomadd · 29 Dec 2022 at 09:55

thewanted said:
Looks like the 4080 FE is finally out of stock.

Nah, it's still there, Jensen.

thewanted · 29 Dec 2022 at 10:01

Jay85 said:
Nah its still in stock, just checked again. No problems adding it to basket at all.

Unless they do something about the price this product will be in stock forever

Yeah it’s working for me now. Odd.

Joxeon · 29 Dec 2022 at 12:12

TNA said:
Good. I am looking forward to the "Ampere friends, it is now safe to upgrade" speach in 2024

As for AMD. LOL. Soon Intel will have higher market share if they carry on like this. Nvidia gave them a bloody open goal and they missed it again. They should have named the 7900 XTX the 7800 XT and charged a reasonable price for it. But nope. They wanted to help improve the utter terrible 4080 sales instead

I'm sure the plans where finalised at thanksgiving dinner round uncle Huang's.

Firestar_3x · 29 Dec 2022 at 14:24

Undecided which 4090 to get, what's the better buy out of:

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity OC
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC

Or wait for the Nvidia reference card to come back into stock.

Kelt · 29 Dec 2022 at 15:00

Kelt · 29 Dec 2022 at 15:03

Firestar_3x said:
Undecided which 4090 to get, what's the better buy out of:

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity OC
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC

Or wait for the Nvidia reference card to come back into stock.

Personally I'd get the cheapest with the best warranty.

Zotac has the best warranty, but if I were buying now, I'd wait for the FE to come into stock.

I have a 3080 TIFE, and the build quality is exceptional.

nomadd · 29 Dec 2022 at 16:43

Kelt said:
..but if I were buying now, I'd wait for the FE to come into stock.

This^

jimdriver · 29 Dec 2022 at 17:55

Firestar_3x said:
Undecided which 4090 to get, what's the better buy out of:

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity OC
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC

Or wait for the Nvidia reference card to come back into stock.

I've been weighing up the same decision of which 4090 to get for a while now. I'm going to be doing a whole new build, to upgrade from a 4770K/1080.

I've ruled out bothering to try and get an FE, seems like too much hassle.

The annoying thing I've found is that it seems like it's mostly the most expensive model for each brand that they've sent out to tech reviewers. Certainly less reviews on Youtube for the cheaper models, like the ones you've listed.

Reading the reviews hasn't gotten me to a real place of certainty either. When you can find reviews for cheaper models their weak points against the more expensive models get mentioned - build quality/materials, types of fans, temps & noise levels. When the more expensive models (especially in the case of Zotac) are like only £30-£60 more given you're already looking at £1700+ a got more £'s is really very little difference.

Where I've currently landed is with the Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO. The 5 year warranty swings it and of all the companies it's the cheapest premier model. The price is yoyo-ing up and down, was £1800 at OC for a few days and now back up to £1890 but can be found cheaper elsewhere.

I think I'm going to give it a few weeks and see what the reality of a January where money is tighter and maybe CES announcements does to the prices.

Woodsta888 · 29 Dec 2022 at 18:14

jimdriver said:
I've been weighing up the same decision of which 4090 to get for a while now. I'm going to be doing a whole new build, to upgrade from a 4770K/1080.

I've ruled out bothering to try and get an FE, seems like too much hassle.

The annoying thing I've found is that it seems like it's mostly the most expensive model for each brand that they've sent out to tech reviewers. Certainly less reviews on Youtube for the cheaper models, like the ones you've listed.

Reading the reviews hasn't gotten me to a real place of certainty either. When you can find reviews for cheaper models their weak points against the more expensive models get mentioned - build quality/materials, types of fans, temps & noise levels. When the more expensive models (especially in the case of Zotac) are like only £30-£60 more given you're already looking at £1700+ a got more £'s is really very little difference.

Where I've currently landed is with the Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO. The 5 year warranty swings it and of all the companies it's the cheapest premier model. The price is yoyo-ing up and down, was £1800 at OC for a few days and now back up to £1890 but can be found cheaper elsewhere.

I think I'm going to give it a few weeks and see what the reality of a January where money is tighter and maybe CES announcements does to the prices.

When gaming you aren't going to 'feel' the difference between any of them. Measurable yes, but probably not noiticable. 5 yr warranty is a winner. Guru 3d seemed to review a lot of the lower tier models iirc.

view1 · 29 Dec 2022 at 18:32

jimdriver said:
I've been weighing up the same decision of which 4090 to get for a while now. I'm going to be doing a whole new build, to upgrade from a 4770K/1080.

I've ruled out bothering to try and get an FE, seems like too much hassle.

The annoying thing I've found is that it seems like it's mostly the most expensive model for each brand that they've sent out to tech reviewers. Certainly less reviews on Youtube for the cheaper models, like the ones you've listed.

Reading the reviews hasn't gotten me to a real place of certainty either. When you can find reviews for cheaper models their weak points against the more expensive models get mentioned - build quality/materials, types of fans, temps & noise levels. When the more expensive models (especially in the case of Zotac) are like only £30-£60 more given you're already looking at £1700+ a got more £'s is really very little difference.

Where I've currently landed is with the Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO. The 5 year warranty swings it and of all the companies it's the cheapest premier model. The price is yoyo-ing up and down, was £1800 at OC for a few days and now back up to £1890 but can be found cheaper elsewhere.

I think I'm going to give it a few weeks and see what the reality of a January where money is tighter and maybe CES announcements does to the prices.

From what I've found out,
Thermals are great on all cards, even FE

The zotac has quality 24+4 phase stages

As far as components
Zotac

jimdriver said:
I've been weighing up the same decision of which 4090 to get for a while now. I'm going to be doing a whole new build, to upgrade from a 4770K/1080.

I've ruled out bothering to try and get an FE, seems like too much hassle.

The annoying thing I've found is that it seems like it's mostly the most expensive model for each brand that they've sent out to tech reviewers. Certainly less reviews on Youtube for the cheaper models, like the ones you've listed.

Reading the reviews hasn't gotten me to a real place of certainty either. When you can find reviews for cheaper models their weak points against the more expensive models get mentioned - build quality/materials, types of fans, temps & noise levels. When the more expensive models (especially in the case of Zotac) are like only £30-£60 more given you're already looking at £1700+ a got more £'s is really very little difference.

Where I've currently landed is with the Zotac AMP Extreme AIRO. The 5 year warranty swings it and of all the companies it's the cheapest premier model. The price is yoyo-ing up and down, was £1800 at OC for a few days and now back up to £1890 but can be found cheaper elsewhere.

I think I'm going to give it a few weeks and see what the reality of a January where money is tighter and maybe CES announcements does to the prices.

I bought the kf2a because its the cheapest around.

Not my 1st choice due to the styling and less reviews, but a few galax reviews are about which is the same card and everyone is happy with it. Only 24months warranty but only 3 years is the average.

Looking at the quality the Kfa2 is upper average, better components than the palit OC and not too far off of reference.

Sh4rkie · 29 Dec 2022 at 19:17

duplicate

Sh4rkie · 29 Dec 2022 at 19:18

Firestar_3x said:
Undecided which 4090 to get, what's the better buy out of:

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity OC
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC

Or wait for the Nvidia reference card to come back into stock.

I had the same dilemma and went for the Gigabyte Gaming OC. I thought why not for not much more than an FE for improved cooling, acoustics, dual bios, longer warranty. I've not been disappointed, cool, quiet, fast as hell and zero coil whine in my system.

jimdriver · 29 Dec 2022 at 19:49

Woodsta888 said:
When gaming you aren't going to 'feel' the difference between any of them. Measurable yes, but probably not noiticable. 5 yr warranty is a winner. Guru 3d seemed to review a lot of the lower tier models iirc.

Yeah I get that, it's just the £800 difference between the cheapest KFA2 and the most expensive Gigabyte makes it easy to think there's something more than aesthetics to factor in. Obviously brand name and slightly better components/materials make some difference but it can't just be them for that difference.

In an ideal world EVGA would still be around in the Nvidia and I'd just get one of theirs. My FTW1080, bought from OC on launch day, is still going strong.

Woodsta888 · 29 Dec 2022 at 20:56

jimdriver said:
Yeah I get that, it's just the £800 difference between the cheapest KFA2 and the most expensive Gigabyte makes it easy to think there's something more than aesthetics to factor in. Obviously brand name and slightly better components/materials make some difference but it can't just be them for that difference.

In an ideal world EVGA would still be around in the Nvidia and I'd just get one of theirs. My FTW1080, bought from OC on launch day, is still going strong.

You'd think so! Even between the Zotac's models there is little difference between the boost clocks - All 4090's and 4080's for that matter boost way over the advertised boost clocks. Purely down to silicon lottery. If you are a bencher then you maybe swayed for that bit extra to get the highest scores - but for gaming - you wont see it.

Looking at the difference between the Suprim X and the FE is 1fps at 1080 & 1440 as the card is CPU bottlenecked. @ 4k its 8fps.

So £800 for 8fps. Overclock the FE and that gap becomes smaller. Better off saving your money and getting a top end CPU as that'll probably realize more performance from a 4090.

view1 · 29 Dec 2022 at 21:22

jimdriver said:
Yeah I get that, it's just the £800 difference between the cheapest KFA2 and the most expensive Gigabyte makes it easy to think there's something more than aesthetics to factor in. Obviously brand name and slightly better components/materials make some difference but it can't just be them for that difference.

In an ideal world EVGA would still be around in the Nvidia and I'd just get one of theirs. My FTW1080, bought from OC on launch day, is still going strong.

Yeah power phases, voltage regulators, capacitor quality, warranty period, brand tax, build quality ie full metal shrouds.

If you look at circuit board quality, you'll see the FE is one of the best quality. The Kfa2 is a 18+4 phase design... Some of the others are only 14+3. I think the FE is 22 phase and the Msi card have around 26.
All meet the design specs by nvidia and any difference in fps will even out similar with manual OC.

Advice is choose the cheapest one that you like the look of, if that matters. Also consider warranty.

All the coolers will be good enough to max the chip clocks.

TimAhKin · 29 Dec 2022 at 22:17

Firestar_3x said:
Undecided which 4090 to get, what's the better buy out of:

KFA2 GeForce RTX 4090
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO
Zotac GeForce RTX 4090 Trinity OC
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4090 Gaming OC

Or wait for the Nvidia reference card to come back into stock.

Get the MSI. That's the one I have. It's running silent and cold.

Dicehunter · 29 Dec 2022 at 22:37

Grim5 said:
Considering the CPU usage is just 1%, I suspect it's more likely to be a game engine problem than the CPU - the game is either hard capped to around 240 something FPS or that's just as much as the game engine can handle and will never get any faster.

Many older games have issues with framerates just hitting an engine cap and then they stop getting any faster with new hardware.

It does go higher in some scenarios, Guessing it's just 1 of those things the devs never foresore people playing it 7 years later, Can't exactly complain getting 200+FPS at 4K though