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NVIDIA 4000 Series

Probably is better optimised for AMD hardware in general seeing as consoles are using AMD hardware in them.... does that excuse the system requirements being stupid and the quality nowhere near good enough... nope.
But the AMD hardware that consoles are based on its the 6000 series, not 7000. But yeah nowadays game devs are like: "Optimization? Get a 4090 lul" :D
 
PC gaming is imo in an amazing place if you look at what it is capable of. It has such a rich and amazing back catalogue of titles that can be had for VERY cheap prices (steam key sites) that thanks to the latest hardware we can bump up to max detail settings at high frames.

When you factor in modding there is im simply no replacement for the PC. It is unique.

I'll give you an example, Witcher 3 'next gen' patch. Spent more time ******* about with settings due to various issues with it than playing it. PS5, off you go, loss in fidelity but nothing major. Calisto was a barrel of laughs too though couldn't compare that as didn't have on console. I have far from a lemon PC and yet some games are a stuttery mess.
Compatibility issues with old games, having to apply multiple patches and hot fixes, my recent attempt at getting my C&C Red Alert 2 a great example. I think years ago I had the patience for modding etc, my experience with modding now is generally you install more than a few and then they start causing issues, definitely the case with FO4/Skyrim/Oblivion despite certain mods allegedly having no issues with their counterparts.
Cyberpunk bumped up to max great, but it wasn't a 'wow' difference over PS5. I am struggling to find any other gamers that really showcase graphics, in the old days PC was always leaps ahead, now I am struggling to see it.
Agree the versatility is great you can literally play anything, if it is worth the cost though is something only 'you' can decide. I'm not sure myself, that said though I do like a lot of games you cannot get on console (or port badly) mainly RTS games, things like Factorio etc :) Next decision is do I get Hogwarts on PC or PS5 where I'll enjoy the haptics and be able to sell it after.
 
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Probably is better optimised for AMD hardware in general seeing as consoles are using AMD hardware in them.... does that excuse the system requirements being stupid and the quality nowhere near good enough... nope.

Maybe the image quality is better on AMD hardware for this title as LtMatt recons it does not look as bad as everyone is saying. But that is going into subjective territory to be fair.

End of the day for me the point is for the system requirements the game should be looking much better and not like a PS3 game at times. HZD looks better imo and it uses a lot less resources doing to.
 
If 4070ti's keep dropping in price slowly, the 4090 is looking less worth it by the day now.

799inc gets you into the cheapest 4070ti on OCUK. 665 without the VAT, its not as bad as launch day.
Not sure how the 4090 is “ looking less worth it by the day “. I would not trade my 4090 for anything that is out at the moment. If one thinks spending 800 dollars for a 70 series is ok, then what is so terrible about paying 1700 for a card that is over twice the performance. I personally think the 70 series is a rip. I personally feel every new card from team green and red are over priced. Everything should be about 30 percent cheaper.…..
 
Weird. Maybe the game is much better optimised on AMD hardware as LtMatt is getting 88 average FPS on his 7900 XTX.

Defo does look like a PS3 at times. Terribly optimised game from what I can see.
That 88 FPS is actually 96 FPS. However, I didn’t realise but FSR was enabled in Quality mode. True native is 64-65 FPS.
 
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You have moved the goal posts as I was talking specifically about getting them at the MSRP of £650. No matter what your experience was, it was obvious that for the normal man on the street the 3080 FE card was near impossible to get at £650 for most of its cycle. You only have to compare that to getting a 2080 or 2070 the generation before. Which was the normal case of going to a website like OcUK adding it to your basket and then paying for it.

I know a guy who was actually a game developer, so very used to using technology, and he wasn't even aware of notifications until just before the mining crash. (I told him!)

Anyway, I will leave you to your beliefs and get back on topic to specific 4000 chat.
I haven't moved the goal posts at all, I got one for £650, everyone I know that wanted one got one at that price, loads of people on here got one for that price.

There are literally dozens of price/stock websites, lmao that a software developer doesn't apparently know that the internet exists.

Like you came up with some fake number that wasn't believable and doubled down on trying to claim that one of these fake people who magically works in tech doesn't even know about "the internet".

My favourite bit being, he's apparently such a good friend of yours that you witheld this information for 18 months.
 
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And this is why I would have to either bite the bullet and buy the best I can as I don't tend to upgrade very often at all, or walk away from the PC, especially gaming, as the cost to upgrade every couple of years is getting ridiculous

Even if you upgrade GPU one year, then CPU etc the next year, it is just becoming unsustainable for a lot of people, especially with the increase in cost of living
Why would anynoe need to upgrade so regularly, IMO GPU when you actually NEED more FPS because your games are suffering, not just because you are chasing +20% for benchmarks, and CPU every 4-5 years or so, as long as you have something good to start with, foe example I went from an ancient 4 core i5 4670k I think and 8 gigs ddr3 ram, no hyperthreading either lol, to an i7 12700k with 32 gigs ddr5. That was one insane step up, but I told myself never again will I let myself get so far behind and suffer. So now I am looking at future CPUs and targeting 2025, as I see Arrow Lake/Pather Lake are meant penned to be performance leaders with massive IPC increases, really excited to see the new architectures that Jim Keller has come up with over at Intel. Anyways my point is, no one needs to upgrade every year, but also, don't make my mistake and slum it for almost a decade on ancient tech and suffer because your experience is so crap, there is getting value out of stuff by using it for a long time, but there is also the poor experience factor that has to be thought about if using weak technology thats left behind by more demanding software.
 
Why would anynoe need to upgrade so regularly, IMO GPU when you actually NEED more FPS because your games are suffering, not just because you are chasing +20% for benchmarks, and CPU every 4-5 years or so, as long as you have something good to start with, foe example I went from an ancient 4 core i5 4670k I think and 8 gigs ddr3 ram, no hyperthreading either lol, to an i7 12700k with 32 gigs ddr5. That was one insane step up, but I told myself never again will I let myself get so far behind and suffer. So now I am looking at future CPUs and targeting 2025, as I see Arrow Lake/Pather Lake are meant penned to be performance leaders with massive IPC increases, really excited to see the new architectures that Jim Keller has come up with over at Intel. Anyways my point is, no one needs to upgrade every year, but also, don't make my mistake and slum it for almost a decade on ancient tech and suffer because your experience is so crap, there is getting value out of stuff by using it for a long time, but there is also the poor experience factor that has to be thought about if using weak technology thats left behind by more demanding software.
Maybe my example of upgrading every year is extreme, but then you see posts from people who have gone from a 20** -> 30** -> 40** series cards and I wonder why bother just for the sake of saying I have the latest tech

In terms of your mistake of 'slumming it' for a decade, my machine is currently an i5 4690K, 8gig DDR3 with a GTX560ti, I am slumming it even more, so anything I buy would be an even bigger step up than you saw with your upgrade

When the pandemic hit, I had been considering building a new machine, but when prices jumped the way they did (and stock options became limited in certain areas) I made the decision to forget about it and wait for things to settle down, but that now seems like a mistake when you look at how the cost of living has jumped the way it has

Yes, I could buy cheap and see a massive improvement in anything I decided to play, but is it really worth it? In an ideal world where budget was no concern, I would go for a 4090 along with the best money can buy and forget about having to change anything for a good number of years, but then I don't feel like that expense is justified for how much use it would get - in real terms, I would probably be better off buying a console for the games I would play

Now if a major component in my machine decides to die on me, I won't have much choice other than to replace the entire machine with something newer just due to the fact that I am not going to try and track down compatible components for the existing platform and take a chance on second-hand goods of that age

If graphics cards are going to continue to get more expensive, even for the lower end of the ranges, then I don't see a PC/laptop being anything other than a work device or a larger screen browsing device for me personally, as I have other things I would rather spend that kind of money on before a gaming PC
 
If you have a 4k 144hz monitor

That's fine, everyone is different.

I am looking at a new 27inch OLED (240hz) monitor and the 2023 panels and maybe even the 2024 OLED panels are all going to be 1440p. For many the 10 year wait for a 27inch flat, OLED monitor is almost over, once purchased people will upgrade and hold them for 5 years, at least.

It is a big moment, there will be a real temptation to ditch whatever you are running to get into one.

1440p at 90hz is going to cut the mustard just fine if you want to buy into this OLED nirvana (many will - they are into the 'shut up and take my money' zone) and if such people buy a 4090 class card to drive such a screen it won't be giving anything that a 4070ti or a 7900XT won't be.

Things can change of course, new games will appear but that's where I am coming from.
 
Maybe my example of upgrading every year is extreme, but then you see posts from people who have gone from a 20** -> 30** -> 40** series cards and I wonder why bother just for the sake of saying I have the latest tech

In terms of your mistake of 'slumming it' for a decade, my machine is currently an i5 4690K, 8gig DDR3 with a GTX560ti, I am slumming it even more, so anything I buy would be an even bigger step up than you saw with your upgrade

When the pandemic hit, I had been considering building a new machine, but when prices jumped the way they did (and stock options became limited in certain areas) I made the decision to forget about it and wait for things to settle down, but that now seems like a mistake when you look at how the cost of living has jumped the way it has

Yes, I could buy cheap and see a massive improvement in anything I decided to play, but is it really worth it? In an ideal world where budget was no concern, I would go for a 4090 along with the best money can buy and forget about having to change anything for a good number of years, but then I don't feel like that expense is justified for how much use it would get - in real terms, I would probably be better off buying a console for the games I would play
So basically all of this dross can be translated as: "I do not actually have a reason to upgrade as I do not even game much". Despite that, you seem to begrudge other people upgrading and dimish their motives to: "just for the sake of saying I have the latest tech".

Sounds like someone has a severe case of sour grapes. :D
 
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So basically all of this dross can be translated as: "I do not actually have a reason to upgrade as I do not even game much". Despite that, you seem to begrudge other people upgrading and dimish their motives to: "just for the sake of saying I have the latest tech".

Sounds like someone has a severe case of sour grapes. :D
Correct, I don't game much because my system isn't up to the latest stuff, nothing to do with the fact that I wouldn't game if I had a system capable of more recent stuff and it has **** all to do with sour grapes as you put it :cry:

I like how you conveniently left out the part where I said I would rather spend that kind of money on other things in life before a gaming PC, so it isn't like I couldn't afford it if I wanted it
 
Correct, I don't game much because my system isn't up to the latest stuff, nothing to do with the fact that I wouldn't game if I had a system capable of more recent stuff and it has **** all to do with sour grapes as you put it :cry:

I like how you conveniently left out the part where I said I would rather spend that kind of money on other things in life before a gaming PC, so it isn't like I couldn't afford it if I wanted it

It's VERY important to let people know you can afford something.
 
Ignoring game after game that comes out on PC as an unoptimized mess to justify £3-4k on a modern rig. Umm, ok..
I am not ignoring it, but a few terribly optimized PC releases is not a sign that modern PC gaming is in trouble and the PC has suffered from badly optimized PC title releases for literally decades (I should know, I was there all the way through). It is nothing new at all.
 
I am not ignoring it, but a few terribly optimized PC releases is not a sign that modern PC gaming is in trouble and the PC has suffered from badly optimized PC title releases for literally decades (I should know, I was there all the way through). It is nothing new at all.
I've been PC gaming since the late 80s, so I know the score too. :)

You posted your reasoning above:

"It has such a rich and amazing back catalogue of titles that can be had for VERY cheap prices (steam key sites) that thanks to the latest hardware we can bump up to max detail settings at high frames. When you factor in modding there is im simply no replacement for the PC. It is unique."

The problem is, you could do all that 4-5 years ago - and we all did. So no reason to do it all again now for no reason.

I guess we'll just agree to differ. But the lack of really decent cutting edge titles and the insane price of graphics cards has turned me off PC gaming heavily in the last year or so - and as a hardcore PC gamer, I never thought I'd reach a stage where I'd ever be saying that. :(

Peace. :)
 
I've been PC gaming since the late 80s, so I know the score too. :)

You posted your reasoning above:

"It has such a rich and amazing back catalogue of titles that can be had for VERY cheap prices (steam key sites) that thanks to the latest hardware we can bump up to max detail settings at high frames. When you factor in modding there is im simply no replacement for the PC. It is unique."

The problem is, you could do all that 4-5 years ago - and we all did. So no reason to do it all again now for no reason.

I guess we'll just agree to differ. But the lack of really decent cutting edge titles and the insane price of graphics cards has turned me off PC gaming heavily in the last year or so - and as a hardcore PC gamer, I never thought I'd reach a stage where I'd ever be saying that. :(

Peace. :)

I said as much before, something like can't wait to play old console games but with added technical issues.
 
That's fine, everyone is different.

I am looking at a new 27inch OLED (240hz) monitor and the 2023 panels and maybe even the 2024 OLED panels are all going to be 1440p. For many the 10 year wait for a 27inch flat, OLED monitor is almost over, once purchased people will upgrade and hold them for 5 years, at least.

It is a big moment, there will be a real temptation to ditch whatever you are running to get into one.

1440p at 90hz is going to cut the mustard just fine if you want to buy into this OLED nirvana (many will - they are into the 'shut up and take my money' zone) and if such people buy a 4090 class card to drive such a screen it won't be giving anything that a 4070ti or a 7900XT won't be.

Things can change of course, new games will appear but that's where I am coming from.
What a 4090 will give is much more longevity especially in a couple of years when cpus catch up and enable the 4090 to really stretch its legs at 1440p.

Those buying a 4070ti or 7900XT now will probably end up having to pay another £800-900 in 2 years when their card is struggling since after all these cards aren’t really any faster than last gen and they still won’t get the performance of a 4090 unless Nvidia pulls out another 3080 like rabbit which seems unlikely given their new strategy of paying more for more performance.
 
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I've been PC gaming since the late 80s, so I know the score too. :)

You posted your reasoning above:

"It has such a rich and amazing back catalogue of titles that can be had for VERY cheap prices (steam key sites) that thanks to the latest hardware we can bump up to max detail settings at high frames. When you factor in modding there is im simply no replacement for the PC. It is unique."

The problem is, you could do all that 4-5 years ago - and we all did. So no reason to do it all again now for no reason.
You've played all of the games? Impressive! I'm still picking up titles from years ago that I never got round to playing.
 
PC gaming is imo in an amazing place if you look at what it is capable of. It has such a rich and amazing back catalogue of titles that can be had for VERY cheap prices (steam key sites) that thanks to the latest hardware we can bump up to max detail settings at high frames.

When you factor in modding there is im simply no replacement for the PC. It is unique.
Yeah, you're spot on. We've never had it so good. When I was a kid, I dreamt of owning a graphics card that was the same price as some second hand cars. I wanted to one day get real value for my money by not buying a portable monitor, a tent, an air fryer, a mini PC, a pair of high-end audio ear buds, a pair of audiophile quality bookshelf speakers, a floor lamp, a portable solar panel, a decent quality solar generator and a new telly. None of that. Instead, I thought to myself "No! I'm going to put all that money into a graphics card!"

The only problem was that after I did actually buy all that stuff, I didn't have enough dosh left to get 'Gullible Mug' tattooed onto my forehead.
 
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