Nvidia 5000 series rumoured release is 2025

[TNA]

Nvidia don’t need to catch AMDs MCM up, they are miles ahead in both raster and RT and come with better features. Nvidia could probably release a 400mm2 3nm chip and still beat whatever AMD puts out.

Sad, but true. AMD really need to get the finger out. If they can't then at least offer us a nice leap in price for performance in the mid range.

 

[Apex]

2025?

The 5090 could well be 2.5K then.

 

[GhostDog1981]

2025?

The 5090 could well be 2.5K then.

Buy now and don’t buy again for 5/6 years I say and protect yourself from inflation.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

Nvidia don’t need to catch AMDs MCM up, they are miles ahead in both raster and RT and come with better features. Nvidia could probably release a 400mm2 3nm chip and still beat whatever AMD puts out.

I don't believe this is true, but whoever is right will only be revealed in retrospect.

As other posters have pointed out 5000 series are going to be huge dies on cutting edge nodes. Right up at the reticle limit.

That isn't going to be cheap, or easy to fab. Expect price rises.

 

[Dave2150]

I don't believe this is true, but whoever is right will only be revealed in retrospect.

As other posters have pointed out 5000 series are going to be huge dies on cutting edge nodes. Right up at the reticle limit.

That isn't going to be cheap, or easy to fab. Expect price rises.

Nvidia are only competing with themselves. As long as the 5090 is 50% faster than the 4090, it'll sell fantastically, just as the 4090 did.

AMD could release a faster card and it wouldn't matter, Nvidia would still outsell them. Drivers, software and mindshare/trust are more powerful than numbers.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

Nvidia are only competing with themselves. As long as the 5090 is 50% faster than the 4090, it'll sell fantastically, just as the 4090 did.

AMD could release a faster card and it wouldn't matter, Nvidia would still outsell them. Drivers, software and mindshare/trust are more powerful than numbers.

I think Ryzen proves this isn't true. AMD can win marketshare, but they have to push a similar product (performance, features, quality) and sell at a lower price. AMD we're nearly dead when Ryzen was released, lower prices attracted share, 2nd and 3rd gens just got better and better. Prices rose and they now dominate market share.

Performance is doable, features are difficult, quality is good IMO.

Once they have market, they can raise prices. But there is no doubt, catching up with features is going to be tricky with the immense resource NV have.

 

[Grim5]

I think Ryzen proves this isn't true. AMD can win marketshare, but they have to push a similar product (performance, features, quality) and sell at a lower price. AMD we're nearly dead when Ryzen was released, lower prices attracted share, 2nd and 3rd gens just got better and better. Prices rose and they now dominate market share.

Performance is doable, features are difficult, quality is good IMO.

Once they have market, they can raise prices. But there is no doubt, catching up with features is going to be tricky with the immense resource NV have.

In terms of home consumers, CPUs offer two types of performance: desktop applications and multithread workloads, secondly, gaming.

GPUs also offer two types of performance for home users: rasterisation and Ray/Path tracing

The reason Ryzen succeeded is because it was able to beat Intel in at least one of these performance types while doing it at a lower price at every tier. AMD does not have a complete GPU stack that does that, when they do, they will catch up to Nvidia quickly


Ryzen 1000, at every tier in the stack, beat Intel in multithread performance by a large chunk and did so at a cheaper price, that's why it worked. It didn't beat Intel in gaming but it didn't matter you only have to beat the competition in one thing to get your niche.


AMD doesn't have that with RDNA: There is no RDNA generation so far that easily beats Nvidia in Rasterisation or RT at every tier in the stack and does it at a cheaper price. Thats why RDNA desktop gpu is a commercial failure if we're being honest

 

[Joxeon]

AMD doesn't have that with RDNA: There is no RDNA generation so far that easily beats Nvidia in Rasterisation or RT at every tier in the stack and does it at a cheaper price. Thats why RDNA desktop gpu is a commercial failure if we're being honest

All AMD offers is a 10-15% price cut over similarly performing Nvidia products which are already overpriced by 40% so instead of paying a 40% premium with Nvidia you’re going to have to pay a 25% premium for AMD but give up RT and DLSS so it’s no surprise AMD isn’t gaining much market.

 

[0h_no_not_again]

In terms of home consumers, CPUs offer two types of performance: desktop applications and multithread workloads, secondly, gaming.

GPUs also offer two types of performance for home users: rasterisation and Ray/Path tracing

The reason Ryzen succeeded is because it was able to beat Intel in at least one of these performance types while doing it at a lower price at every tier. AMD does not have a complete GPU stack that does that, when they do, they will catch up to Nvidia quickly


Ryzen 1000, at every tier in the stack, beat Intel in multithread performance by a large chunk and did so at a cheaper price, that's why it worked. It didn't beat Intel in gaming but it didn't matter you only have to beat the competition in one thing to get your niche.


AMD doesn't have that with RDNA: There is no RDNA generation so far that easily beats Nvidia in Rasterisation or RT at every tier in the stack and does it at a cheaper price. Thats why RDNA desktop gpu is a commercial failure if we're being honest

My point is, next gen NV is going to see non-linear cost increase vs. compute performance. That happened this gen, but it's going to get worse if they stay monolithic.
Raytracing is enabled by compute performance, albeit specialised compute.

AMD are likely to see less increase in cost vs. compute performance due to MCM. If they can sort out some features, mainly DLSS, they will be in a great place.

I have reservations about AMD being able to catch DLSS, what with NV being one of the top 5 AI/Graphics companies globally and AMD being a pissant... Raster performance leadership should be within their capabilities if they choose to go after it.

 

[Joxeon]

My point is, next gen NV is going to see non-linear cost increase vs. compute performance. That happened this gen, but it's going to get worse if they stay monolithic.
Raytracing is enabled by compute performance, albeit specialised compute.

AMD are likely to see less increase in cost vs. compute performance due to MCM. If they can sort out some features, mainly DLSS, they will be in a great place.

I have reservations about AMD being able to catch DLSS, what with NV being one of the top 5 AI/Graphics companies globally and AMD being a pissant... Raster performance leadership should be within their capabilities if they choose to go after it.

Nvidia will be fine next gen as they held back performance so much this gen they have that in the bank if needed, don’t forget cards like the $800 4070ti is essentially on the same die as a $330 3060 12gb and a 4080 is using a smaller die than a 3060ti, even a 4090 is only using 89% of the AD102 and already has a 28% lead over AMD so if the jump to TSMCs 3nm underperforms Nvidia can just revert back to larger dies and not cut the 90 down as much, even if doing so costs them more the price increases have been so insane this generation that they have practically doubled GPU prices of every die they sell that they can just use next gen to normalise that pricing.

 

[SpellowHouse]

The way prices have gone, I have stopped upgrading every generation now, so I have zero interest in the 5000 series.

I guess I will probably be interested in the 7080 or 7090 !!

 

[chaparral]

The way prices have gone, I have stopped upgrading every generation now, so I have zero interest in the 5000 series.

I guess I will probably be interested in the 7080 or 7090 !!

Same here, Still rocketing a 2080ti (Am still recovering from the price of it )

Think age has a lot to do with it as well as i don't play games much these days.

 

[Dave2150]

I think Ryzen proves this isn't true. AMD can win marketshare, but they have to push a similar product (performance, features, quality) and sell at a lower price. AMD we're nearly dead when Ryzen was released, lower prices attracted share, 2nd and 3rd gens just got better and better. Prices rose and they now dominate market share.

Performance is doable, features are difficult, quality is good IMO.

Once they have market, they can raise prices. But there is no doubt, catching up with features is going to be tricky with the immense resource NV have.

IMO you can't compare CPU's to GPU's. Nvidia wins as it's software stack, drivers, DLSS, Gsync ecosystem is so developed and ingrained. It's not just a question of having the better hardware anymore.

CPU's were 'easy', as they don't need the vast resources to dedicate to drivers, software and Gsync. Apples to oranges.

 

[AssaTM]

Nvidia are such a behemoth and they're only getting bigger, they can dictate the entire market to their will at this point and one successful AMD generation won't change that unfortunately... It will take a lot of time

 

[0h_no_not_again]

IMO you can't compare CPU's to GPU's. Nvidia wins as it's software stack, drivers, DLSS, Gsync ecosystem is so developed and ingrained. It's not just a question of having the better hardware anymore.

CPU's were 'easy', as they don't need the vast resources to dedicate to drivers, software and Gsync. Apples to oranges.

IMO CPUs are more complex hardware, but some margin, but GPUs require more complex software. OOO execution is magic, as are caching strategies.

I literally said that AMD are going to have to pull rabbits out of hats to match the NV feature stack (software), but they can provide equivalent or better hardware in the next gen or two.

 

[JediFragger]

I literally said that AMD are going to have to pull rabbits out of hats to match the NV feature stack (software), but they can provide equivalent or better hardware in the next gen or two.

AMD seem to have a funny idea of 'matching' Nvidia when it comes to software, for instance when they think that FSR is 'just as good' as DLSS....

Little cliched but they really do come across as the Poundland version of Nvidia sometimes.

 

[Dalandius]

Nvidia are only competing with themselves. As long as the 5090 is 50% faster than the 4090, it'll sell fantastically, just as the 4090 did.

AMD could release a faster card and it wouldn't matter, Nvidia would still outsell them. Drivers, software and mindshare/trust are more powerful than numbers.

When they sell it for 50% this is hardly what I would call progress.

 

[von Humboldt]

It's not just the increasing prices that depress me these days. It's the quality of modern games. What's the point in having a beast of a GPU when the majority of AAA games are badly optimised stutter-fests? That would be my main reason for thinking about ditching PC gaming. Sad to think about, but I don't see the situation improving.

 

[Dicehunter]

It's not just the increasing prices that depress me these days. It's the quality of modern games. What's the point in having a beast of a GPU when the majority of AAA games are badly optimised stutter-fests? That would be my main reason for thinking about ditching PC gaming. Sad to think about, but I don't see the situation improving.

Only 2 games I play fairly often are WoW and FFXIV, New releases I play for maybe a day or 2 and then never touch them again as the performance is either horrendous as the fat cat publishers want games out the door multiple years before they are ready, Or the games are just crap.

 

[Grim5]

It's not just the increasing prices that depress me these days. It's the quality of modern games. What's the point in having a beast of a GPU when the majority of AAA games are badly optimised stutter-fests? That would be my main reason for thinking about ditching PC gaming. Sad to think about, but I don't see the situation improving.

If you think the same issues are not on consoles you're in for a massive surprise

Your best bet is quitting video gaming and just play other games, like card games, board games or maybe some football or rugby