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Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:23

Final8y said:
Nope it was not going off on a tangent, my quotes were about people's experience with driver's which is what the person I was replaying to was talking about so no they were not tangent unrelated to driver's quotes.
And you say I should o left it there when it would have been if it was not for you. So take some blame yourself.

Fine I'm to blame. I wasn't actually on about after then I was on about the quote spamming but OK. Fine

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tommybhoy said:
That would be a non starter due to picking what gpu to use, so that's out mal.

Hmm I'm not sure.

If I didn't have my monitors (I'm still annoyed 3D tech is locked into GPU manufacturers) and I was buying today I would be all over 7950 crossfire

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I could get within 10-15% of what I have now for just over half the cost. No brainer.

I'm sure you would agree

tommybhoy · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:38

I would agree...

...(excuse me, had to pick myself off the floor there

) with the 7950's.

Unless you are talking about specific title 3D features i.e Crysis 2+Sniper 2, i'm in disagreement with the 3D part, it's not a requirement with AMD to buy into their 3D tech, AMD gpu's(6 series+) works on any W7 compatible native 3D unit, but essentially it works.

Mal X · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:50

tommybhoy said:
That would be a non starter due to picking what gpu to use, so that's out mal.

no not at all, which card you use doesn't matter if you're building a custom rig.

this project is a slow build over the next 3 years, something like an advanced version of the Antec Skeleton.

but, the huge trouble we have is :- will the latest pc hardware then, still have the same engineering dimensions as now, it's therefore hard to design right now; for what might be around in 3 years time !

Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:51

tommybhoy said:
Unless you are talking about specific title 3D features i.e Crysis 2+Sniper 2, i'm in disagreement with the 3D part, it's not a requirement with AMD to buy into their 3D tech, AMD gpu's(6 series+) works on any W7 compatible native 3D unit, but essentially it works.

I was referring specifically to the BenQ's/NV 3D Vision and the fact it isn't easy to swap between the two if you've invested either way.

humbug · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:52

tommybhoy said:
Warranted or not, the trend is to slate AMD drivers, considering some of the dross posted in general(from both sides) on the matter, why challenge that post when you don't challenge similar posts any other time?

This ^^^^ when people stop posting nonsense about AMD's drivers it will not be there to be challenged.

Final8y posts have been interesting and enlightening reading, inconvenient to an nvidia crowd who would like to proclaim some nvidia superiority, but all i have to say to that is, thought.

bemaniac · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:56

andybird123 said:
or works with whatever other kit you might already have or is just your preference... delete as appropriate

Yeah think the question is 'do you like 3d vision' if yes just drop an nvidia card in. If you don't think 3d vision is any good then why not test out amd.

andybird123 · 5 Sep 2012 at 14:59

Mal X said:
no not at all, which card you use doesn't matter if you're building a custom rig.

i've been thinking of this the last 2 weeks, but this project is a slow build over the next 3 years, something like an advanced version of the Antec Skeleton.

but, the huge trouble we have is :- will the latest pc hardware still have the same engineering dimensions as now, it's therefore hard to design right now, for what might be around in 3 years time !

if it's going to take you 3 years to build a case from scratch then you really have to ask yourself why bother

there are loads of modders out there that scratch build cases in a matter of weeks

the latest addition to PC engineering sizes was the XL-ATX or HPATX motherboards and they are from 2010... before that EATX was developed in 1995... so I can't see any new significant sizes coming out in the next 3 years... if anything there has been a drive to smaller sizes like ITX which should be trivial to adapt a larger case for

Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:01

I don't really think most people on here really fall into an AMD crowd and a nVidia crowd though humbug.

You can't really cheapen the debate by applying a fanboy/crowd tag to people and claim it inconveniences them as that is a little immature.

If somebody has an issue with AMD drivers and have switched you can't really label them as "nVidia crowd" and tell them they're talking nonsense.

However, I agree that generalising posts such as "AMD/nVidia drivers are terrible" aren't constructive in the slightest.

A valid AMD driver issue would be that only now with 12.8's has AMD's BF3 performance been in line with what the cards can truly deliver.

A valid nVidia driver issue would be that for some people games were unplayable due to a form of stuttering.

You need to be careful that's all when referring to peoples actual experiences as nonsense as you can come across as a little obtuse.

TheRealDeal · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:11

BF3 performance was never that bad on amd cards anyway. It just was not as good as nvidias. Even my 6870 could run the extreme preset @ 1200p without msaa and hold over a 40 minimum frame rate on sp. Msaa killed the performance but still not bad for a 6870 with a slight overclock.

It shows you atm amds new driver schedule is starting to pay off as in most games now they are doing well when comparing to nvidia.

Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:13

TheRealDeal said:
BF3 performance was never that bad on amd cards anyway. It just was not as good as nvidias. Even my 6870 could run the extreme preset @ 1200p without msaa and hold over a 40 minimum frame rate on sp. Msaa killed the performance but still not bad for a 6870 with a slight overclock.

It shows you atm amds new driver schedule is starting to pay off as in most games now they are doing well when comparing to nvidia.

Indeed. Sorry I didn't mean performance was bad. It was just not as good as it could/should be.

humbug · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:15

Rusty0611 said:
I don't really think most people on here really fall into an AMD crowd and a nVidia crowd though humbug.

You can't really cheapen the debate by applying a fanboy/crowd tag to people and claim it inconveniences them as that is a little immature.

If somebody has an issue with AMD drivers and have switched you can't really label them as "nVidia crowd" and tell them they're talking nonsense.

However, I agree that generalising posts such as "AMD/nVidia drivers are terrible" aren't constructive in the slightest.

A valid AMD driver issue would be that only now with 12.8's has AMD's BF3 performance been in line with what the cards can truly deliver.

A valid nVidia driver issue would be that for some people games were unplayable due to a form of stuttering.

You need to be careful that's all when referring to peoples actual experiences as nonsense as you can come across as a little obtuse.

Pepole slating one side specifically while ignoring problems on the opposing side 'some of which are the same' definitely fall into a crowd category

Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:20

Care to elaborate rather than talking in third person?

humbug · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:23

Rusty0611 said:
Care to elaborate rather than talking in third person?

How would you like me to elaborate?

LegendaryDread · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:23

Fine, seeing as anything including the word "I" is "personal experience"...

Until the driver-level functionality* found in Forceware is in AMD's drivers in some shape or form, whether inside the CCC or not (à la Inspector), their drivers are not equal. How much those features matter to you is up to you. For me, it's a dealbreaker. For the average user, not so much. Done "discussing" it.

*Per-application: AA bits, SLI bits, SLI modes (SFR/AFR.2), LOD, frame limit, ambient occlusion, vsync method and so on.

andybird123 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:24

not to be pedantic but I don't think you'll be seeing SLI options in AMD drivers anytime soon

Rusty0611 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:25

humbug said:
How would you like me to elaborate?

e·lab·o·rate/iˈlab(ə)rit

Verb: Develop or present (a theory, policy, or system) in detail.

In other words, explain what you actually mean rather than dancing around in third person mode so no-one really understands what you mean

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LegendaryDread · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:25

SLI = Scalable Link Interface, or Scan Line Interleave = Technically correct term for CrossfireX.

humbug · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:28

Rusty0611 said:
e·lab·o·rate/iˈlab(ə)rit

Verb: Develop or present (a theory, policy, or system) in detail.

In other words, explain what you actually mean rather than dancing around in third person mode so no-one really understands what you mean .

You must think i'm stupid, there is nothing to elaborate. Its a generalization, not aimed at anyone or anything specific.

Stop looking for ways to start fights :rolleyes:

andybird123 · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:29

LegendaryDread said:
SLI = Scalable Link Interface, or Scan Line Interleave = Technically correct term for CrossfireX.

SLI = trademark registered by 3DFX and aquired by Nvidia = AMD legally not allowed to use the term so definitely not going to appear in their drivers

scan line interleave is also not even a technically accurate term for crossfire as that is alternate frame rendering

LegendaryDread · 5 Sep 2012 at 15:31

Now you're the one being pedantic. CrossfireX is just joining two or more AMD GPUs on a... you guessed it, scalable link interface.