Agreed. Can easily see a £800 to £900 1080ti selling well.
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**Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Thread**
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Agreed. Can easily see a £800 to £900 1080ti selling well.
Soldato
980ti only beat the Titan cause the titans wouldnt overclock due to bios limitations. If you were brave enough to flash you got the same 1400-1500 speed as the Ti so they were 5% faster still.
This time the Titans overclock better than the 1080s with no flashing needed so the Ti are going to need up to 2.5Ghz to beat the Titan this time round.
So you might end up with a TI some where between the 1080 and titan and knowing Nvidia somewhere between the two in price as well.
Titan overclocks to just over 2ghz in most cases and even then you need either watercooling or 100% fan to maintain it.
If a 1080Ti is released it should overclock closely to the Titan with 1-200 less cores. Should be within 5% again. Especially with AIB coolers.
Also not forgetting Ti's could be flashed as well reaching 15-1600mhz closing that 5% gap too
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You do realise NVIDIA will milk millions more buy selling 20,000 cut down cards rather than 2000 Titan X's right? NVIDIA don't ask AMD permission to make some money, they'll do that on their own agenda.
They cut out AIB partners completely with the Titan XP. Their profit margins are probably very high on those cards. It's in their interest for things to stay like this for as long as possible. After all, if/when the 1080 Ti is released, it will likely make the Titan XP obsolete, just like what the 780 Ti did to the Titan, and the 980 Ti to the Titan X.
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The problem is, if you want to stay on air, people forget you need 70%+ fan speed to stop the Titan X P throttling with those high OCs. Not exactly the complete product. On auto fan they hit the thermal limit in no time. Aftermarket cut down cards boasting beastly factory OCs with much better cooling to hold their high boost clocks will close the gap on a stock Titan X P on stock fan.
When people see an aftermarket cut down card just a bit behind the £1100 card on Guru3d benchmarks for £300-£400 less, retailers won't be able to keep them in stock. 980Ti is a perfect example of this.
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Ok, what's better than making lots of money? Make even more money! Come on man, no offence, but do you really believe what you're typing? NVIDIA had no problems making the original Titan obsolete a few months after release with the 780, they even sold 6GB 780s for a limited time to make the extra cost of the Titan even more pointless.
The Maxwell Titan X was made obsolete a few months after release when the factory OCd 980Ti cards were faster out of the box in all the benchmarks vs the stock Titan X for £300 less. Surely we have all gathered that NVIDIA give not one damn about mugging off the previous flagship if they see dollar signs in the near distance.
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I think Pascal is going to be very short lived, they're getting the Titan out of the door early to milk as much as they can from it before Volta comes.
There's no way in a new node launch that people should be able to buy a Titan before some people even got their 1080. Smells of a rush job and low yields, like a stop-gap process knowing full well AMD wouldn't have anything to counter it anyway so just make some more money in the mean time.
There's no way in a new node launch that people should be able to buy a Titan before some people even got their 1080. Smells of a rush job and low yields, like a stop-gap process knowing full well AMD wouldn't have anything to counter it anyway so just make some more money in the mean time.
Soldato
But like only 1% have only just got their 1080, the other 99% are still waitingJumping the gun there op.
I've had mine for ages now as have quite a few. Ref cards were easier to get hold of. Most of the other high end AIB cards have been a shambles though due to most chips going to FE cards etc. Limited supply, then low on memory chips etc etc.
Not sure why you're so upset. We're all just speculating. Calm down.
The Titan was faster than the 780, it was the 780 Ti that was actually faster in gaming and was released in response to the 290X. The 980 Ti was a response to the Fury cards. Both the 780 Ti and the 980 Ti allowed Nvidia to remain ahead of AMD at reasonable prices. In both instances it was competition in the market that prompted Nvidia to release their cards. There is no competition right now. Nvidia will still make tons of money with their Titan XP where it is and I think they'll hold on to the 1080 Ti for as long as possible.
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I'm not upset, hence saying no offense, but I just can't believe you think that NVIDA care about mugging off their flagship based on the fact that they do it over and over again. How many thousands have not even got their aftermarket pre order 1080 in their system, yet NVIDIA don't even care to give them bragging rights for a few months. We can both chill and we'll see what happens by November, NVIDIA knows
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I'm not upset, hence saying no offense, but I just can't believe you think that NVIDA care about mugging off their flagship based on the fact that they do it over and over again. We can both chill and we'll see what happens by November, NVIDIA knows
It's not about mugging off their flagship. I know they're trying to maximise their profit above all else, just like every other company. I just think they'll make a lot of money if they can keep the Titan XP where it is for as long as possible.
To be fair, your probably right that even if they sell a much cheaper 1080 Ti with lower profit margins, the sheer volume of sales will more than make up for any potential losses from rendering the Titan XP obsolete. And they could very easily just release the 1080 Ti out of no where since it's extremely unlikely AMD will even come close to this type of performance with their next line up, so they don't need to be worried about responding at all like they have before.
But yeah, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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It's not about mugging off their flagship. I know they're trying to maximise their profit above all else, just like every other company. I just think they'll make a lot of money if they can keep the Titan XP where it is for as long as possible.
To be fair, your probably right that even if they sell a much cheaper 1080 Ti with lower profit margins, the sheer volume of sales will more than make up for any potential losses from rendering the Titan XP obsolete. And they could very easily just release the 1080 Ti out of no where since it's extremely unlikely AMD will even come close to this type of performance with their next line up, so they don't need to be worried about responding at all like they have before.
But yeah, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Yep I like a discussion and to give my opinion but I don't feel the need to get angry as I'm not the type to do that in real life either. I can honestly say as much as I have a hunch about what NVIDIA will do based on what they have done in the past, I'm not going to sit here and say I know definitely 100% what they will do. Unlike some on here that were saying GDDR5X is impossible so soon.
That original speculation was that Nvidia would make a scaled up 1080 instead of a scaled down P100 (i.e. the 1080 Ti wouldn't have FP64 cores).
It seems like that is not going to be the case, due to the Titan XP just being a cut P100/102 (seems the only difference between P100 and P102 is HBM2 memory).
So if we're going to get a 1080 Ti, it's either going to be a Ttian XP with less vRAM. Or the full 3840 chip (like the Kepler generation with the 780 Ti).
A 3328 core chip wouldn't be adequately faster than a 1080 to justify it.
It seems like that is not going to be the case, due to the Titan XP just being a cut P100/102 (seems the only difference between P100 and P102 is HBM2 memory).
So if we're going to get a 1080 Ti, it's either going to be a Ttian XP with less vRAM. Or the full 3840 chip (like the Kepler generation with the 780 Ti).
A 3328 core chip wouldn't be adequately faster than a 1080 to justify it.
Soldato
Titan overclocks to just over 2ghz in most cases and even then you need either watercooling or 100% fan to maintain it.
If a 1080Ti is released it should overclock closely to the Titan with 1-200 less cores. Should be within 5% again. Especially with AIB coolers.
Also not forgetting Ti's could be flashed as well reaching 15-1600mhz closing that 5% gap too
We haven't seen what the TXP will do yet on water on a proper bios.
Nvidia will follow through in 3 months time with the Ti after the TX like they always do.
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Just get it over with so Nvidia can release the next lot of GPUs so the current gen can have price drops bringing them to a more reasonable price...
At this rate, I won't bother getting excited for a 1080ti/Vega. Neither will be the £600 GPU for 4k60 I'd want to buy.
At this rate, I won't bother getting excited for a 1080ti/Vega. Neither will be the £600 GPU for 4k60 I'd want to buy.
Soldato
Looks like the 970 is the way forward for a long time or so you hope
If the 1080 Ti is the full 3840 core, then it will be good for 4K60, if only just, but it will.
Also Vega may be more interesting. Now that Nvidia hasn't made a gaming-focused big chip, and P102 has unused FP64 cores onboard, it's become a lot easier for AMD to catch up to the performance per mm2.
If AMD can scale the performance of their RX 480 linearly with die size, they could actually match the Titan XP with ~70mm2 less die area. So ~540mm2 vs Titan XP's 610mm2. (Although obviously the Titan XP has a 256-block disabled)
Because due to the wasted area of those FP64 cores, the RX480 is actually faster per mm2 than the Titan. As is the GTX 1080/1070 of course.
Only problem with that is the Titan X Pascal GP102 is only 471mm^ not 610mm6 like the GP100 chip.