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Jonjo69 said:
Again, if you read the statements thats not true. The only difference between non-OC and OC is the factory does the overclock for you. The binning is the same and the lottery's the same. A non-OC has the same chance of going to 480W as the OC.
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Got a link to something that the none oc goes to 480W? The only mention I have seen is on here.
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
Last word: It’s not a better-binned chip. Chips are binned before the AIBs get them. The cards are the same. The OC has a factory overclock. That’s it. Nothing else. I’m done here. If you all want to believe it’s something more then that is up to you. ;)
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With Nvidia the chips arent binned before the AIBs get them. It is entirely up to the AIB whether they then bin them or not.

I dont believe anybody will be though as with Asus the boards are the same so load up the OC bios, test and if it passes sell as an OC. If it fails then put the none oc bios on and sell.
 
Finally heard back from customer service. Didn't receive a mail about my queue number.

Order Number: 58619**
Date ordered: 17/09/2020 15:13:38
Gigabyte Eagle

"Hello, Sorry for the delayed reply - I can't confirm the exact Q position as the system used to send the emails is different than the original we've used previously due to some internal adjustments that were needed. However based upon the old system you're 854 in the Q, but this may be slightly less/higher. It's the best indication I can give you at this time until we send another mailer next month, or when further stock lands.

At the moment there is no confirmed ETA on further stock, but based upon your Q position it will be a while as it will be months before we see substantial stock."

I should be about 200 or so I think, but no. I am number 854 in the queue MAYBE. That is if I am in the queue. What a joke. OC clearly don't want me as a customer.
 
Greebo said:
Got a link to something that the none oc goes to 480W? The only mention I have seen is on here.
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The BIOS is the same. The VRM is the same. The power delivery is the same. Every component is the same, so I think the closest you will see to evidence at this stage is making an assumption on that basis. It would not be logical for ASUS to lower the power limit on a card designed from the ground up for overclocking, especially since the cards are identical from a hardware perspective.

Even if they did, you could just tweak it back up again because same card, same BIOS. Draw your own conclusions.

Both versions of the card recommend an 850w PSU, too.
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
The BIOS is the same. The VRM is the same. The power delivery is the same. Every component is the same, so I think the closest you will see to evidence at this stage is making an assumption on that basis. It would not be logical for ASUS to lower the power limit on a card designed from the ground up for overclocking, especially since the cards are identical from a hardware perspective.

Even if they did, you could just tweak it back up again because same card, same BIOS. Draw your own conclusions.

Both versions of the card recommend an 850w PSU, too.
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Oh I am not saying you are wrong but clearly they arent using the same bios as the bios in the none OC sets the boost to a lower level than the OC card otherwise they both would be advertised with the same clocks.

Maybe the bios power levels are the same but I was just asking for a link to where you got this information from please? If its just your opinion then please just state it as that rather than stating it as FACT.

And yes i know you the cards are the same and you can then flash the OC bios onto the none OS card but wanted to see if that wasnt necessary.
 
Yeah, it’s gonna be the same BIOS but the boost clock setting will have been set differently. Boost clock is just one BIOS setting. I’ll stick me neck out and say there won’t be two versions of the BIOS. No reason to do that. I said:

“I think the closest you will see to evidence at this stage is making an assumption on that basis”.

That is hardly stating it as fact, is it? It’s looking at the evidence, and my experience of past SKU variations to fill in a gap which exists because ASUS hasn’t deemed it necessary to point out the power limits are the same because the cards are the same. And why would they when they get so much traction letting people believe the OC is better somehow?
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
Yeah, it’s gonna be the same BIOS but the boost clock setting will have been set differently. Boost clock is just one BIOS setting. I’ll stick me neck out and say there won’t be two versions of the BIOS. No reason to do that.
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All previous generations of strix cards the OC has a different bios to the none OC card despite being the same cards. Last gen the OC got 325W and the none OC got 307W. The later white card got 360W.

Yes the only difference in the bios may well be the max boost clock BUT THAT MEANS IT HAS A DIFFERENT BIOS!

And you are just assuming that both bioses give the same max wattage for the card. They perhaps dont as people who buy the less boosted none oc wont need as much juice as the OC card.

Did simple to do and helps differentiate between versions and justifies the extra $20-$30 for the OC card. Not every buyer will be conformable flashing a bios on a £1700 card so they will spring the extra money for the OC card.
 
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Doubt it has any relevance to the strix oc vs non oc 'debate' but there is some hardware differences between the TUF OC and non-OC. I forget what but read somet somewhere.
 
Greebo said:
All previous generations of strix cards the OC has a different bios to the none OC card despite being the same cards.

Yes the only difference in the bios may well be the max boost clock BUT THAT MEANS IT HAS A DIFFERENT BIOS!

And you are just assuming that both bioses give the same max wattage for the card. They perhaps dont as people who buy the less boosted none oc wont need as much juice as the OC card.

Did simple to do and helps differentiate between versions and justifies the extra $20-$30 for the OC card. Not every buyer will be conformable flashing a bios on a £1700 card so they will spring the extra money for the OC card.
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Semantics now. But if I go into my mobo BIOS and change a setting that does not make it a different BIOS. The BIOS is the firmware for the card, changing a setting does not make it a different version. I think the problem os you are trying to justify the small extra spend on the card when there is no justification. Not in the way you want.

There will be no need to flash the BIOS. It will be the same bar one setting. As it always is between SKUs of the same GPU/AIB combination.
 
Gypsum Fantastic said:
Semantics now. But if I go into my mobo BIOS and change a setting that does not make it a different BIOS. The BIOS is the firmware for the card, changing a setting does not make it a different version. I think the problem os you are trying to justify the small extra spend on the card when there is no justification. Not in the way you want.

There will be no need to flash the BIOS. It will be the same bar one setting. As it always is between SKUs of the same GPU/AIB combination.
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Sigh most normal buyers wont be going into their bios and editing it. if the boost clock is part of the bios then its a different bios. End of story. Its not like your motherboard where you can easily go into the bios and change a setting.

I think the problem is you got it wrong and are trying to justify it. I wasnt trying to justify it for myself I was trying to point out some people who arent computer literate will not want to edit/flash their bios and if the none oc offers a lower boost and lower power then they will pay the extra for it all to work out of the box. Believe it or not, a lot of people wont even use afterburner or anyway similar to overclock their cards and run them at stock. Amazing isn't it?

Point is you don't know they have the same power limits. Asus have never done that before. Clearly I thought you have inside information that we don't have access to. Its just your opinion so please stop going around and stating its fact.

And yes have flashed the bios of every card I have even owned except the very early ones so I do know a bit about what I am saying.
 
I tried to watch the Jayz2Cents video about the 3090 with a special bios. It was hard going :(
 
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