** NVIDIA GTX 1080 FOUNDERS EDITION: WANNA PRE-ORDER?

beany_bot · 26 May 2016 at 10:19

IvanDobskey said:
I also like the fact that reference coolers exhaust hot air out the back of your case.

Totally agree. This really should be the "norm". Why would you want the hot air blown back into your case? madness!
Granted after market coolers are better than reference blowers. But could the partners not make aftermarket coolers in a blower style? So they vent out of the case yet are still cooler than reference?

It's actually gobsmacking that the fans are designed to expel the hot air into the case. to be taken back in by the card and the CPU. I've never understood that.

easyrider · 26 May 2016 at 10:20

beany_bot said:
It's actually gobsmacking that the fans are designed to expel the hot air into the case. to be taken back in by the card and the CPU. I've never understood that.

That's the case fans job?

beany_bot · 26 May 2016 at 10:28

easyrider said:
That's the case fans job?

Some of it still goes back into the GPU and the CPU before being expelled by the case fans. Just thought that blower style would make sense to be the norm. Obviously improved by partners. I would definitely choose a blower style if it had similar performance.

IvanDobskey · 26 May 2016 at 10:30

lowrider007 said:
Are you getting a 1080? Because I have the same motherboard as you and will be interested to see if it works ok because I know some people had issues with 980's with our M/B.

I won't be getting a 1080 at current prices, that's for sure.

I'd like a bit more grunt, but my 780 is doing the job at the moment.

I'm more likely to pick up a second hand 980ti down the line sometime I reckon.

I wasn't aware of any motherboard issues though?

easyrider · 26 May 2016 at 10:31

beany_bot said:
Some of it still goes back into the GPU and the CPU before being expelled by the case fans. Just thought that blower style would make sense to be the norm. Obviously improved by partners. I would definitely choose a blower style if it had similar performance.

If the GPU is cooler in the first place then case ambient temps will be lower overall.

andybird123 · 26 May 2016 at 10:31

beany_bot said:
Totally agree. This really should be the "norm". Why would you want the hot air blown back into your case? madness!
Granted after market coolers are better than reference blowers. But could the partners not make aftermarket coolers in a blower style? So they vent out of the case yet are still cooler than reference?

It's actually gobsmacking that the fans are designed to expel the hot air into the case. to be taken back in by the card and the CPU. I've never understood that.

You cant change the laws of physics. 3 large fans are always going to shift more air than one small one and be quieter at the same time.

A properly setup case wont have an issue with heat.

beany_bot · 26 May 2016 at 10:40

andybird123 said:
You cant change the laws of physics. 3 large fans are always going to shift more air than one small one and be quieter at the same time.

A properly setup case wont have an issue with heat.

True true. And most of us don't have an issue with case heat. So it is fine. Just thinking though, in an ideal world, a partner card with say 2/3 fans cooling well and still somehow venting out the back would be best.
A lot of people have a AIO water cooled CPU and that fan/radiator is doing the job of case exhaust. So your dragging your hot GPU air over your CPU's radiator on the way out of the case.

I've seen that in countless setups. The CPU rad is the case exhaust fan. And all your GPU heat has to pass over that radiator.

Makes no difference to most of us but must be costing a few degrees here and there.

DarrenM343 · 26 May 2016 at 11:02

I agree beeny. I'd love to see cards with more fans venting the back reference style. Heat being dumped into the case cannot be good even with decent case venting but have no idea if there is an impact such as after a few hours of gaming. I prefer cards pushing the heat away from the case.

I've done some server montoring before, some years ago, and found that even if the CPU temp stayed about the same, longer term over the course of a number of hours performance would degrade generally. This seemed to do to do with heat soak (so high temp for long time was causing performance of the server generally to degrade).

has anyone tried benching their systems immediately after a few hours of gaming? Would be good to see the impact, if any, especially where both the CPU and GPU's are overclocked and the GPU using a non-ref cooler

Amatyr · 26 May 2016 at 11:07

I agree about the back venting too. If I could get the same cooling potential and choose to dump the heat out the back it would be the clearly superior choice.

easyrider · 26 May 2016 at 11:08

There is a reason whey they don't develop blower fans on GPUS

as they're pants.

steverebo · 26 May 2016 at 11:18

any idea when the AIO cards will be released??

Also are OCUK stocking EK 1080 blocks from tomorrow?

Radox-0 · 26 May 2016 at 11:22

DarrenM343 said:
I agree beeny. I'd love to see cards with more fans venting the back reference style. Heat being dumped into the case cannot be good even with decent case venting but have no idea if there is an impact such as after a few hours of gaming. I prefer cards pushing the heat away from the case.

I've done some server montoring before, some years ago, and found that even if the CPU temp stayed about the same, longer term over the course of a number of hours performance would degrade generally. This seemed to do to do with heat soak (so high temp for long time was causing performance of the server generally to degrade).

has anyone tried benching their systems immediately after a few hours of gaming? Would be good to see the impact, if any, especially where both the CPU and GPU's are overclocked and the GPU using a non-ref cooler

I had a couple of EVGA ACX 2.0 cooler for the Titan X's when I had them. Did do a test out of curiosity to see temps between reference and ACX 2.0. Holding the card @ 1474 Mhz / 8010 with 1:1 fan profile so in theory same heat being generated, I found the difference after about 3 hours of gaming giving time for temps to stabilised, the ACX 2.0 cooler caused CPU temps to rise by about 5-6 vs the reference design in a Phanteks Pro M, and 9-10 degrees in my main case the In Win Tou. The case itself is pretty unconventional so likely explains the higher figures.

However in the case of the later the heat from the ACX was being pulled through the 360mm radiator cooling the CPU which likely explains the big difference.

XeNoNF50 · 26 May 2016 at 11:28

The price is major sad times

tyler_jrb · 26 May 2016 at 12:12

Tomorrow 2pm then? Just NDA lift and info on the cards or actual release?

I remember the same with the 980Ti, I had to wait until 10pm until I could order the MSI 6G.

Doubt it will be the same this time around. Probably released during/after computex?

steverebo · 26 May 2016 at 12:25

I'm going for the founders edition purely for the EK full cover waterblock but there is no word on whether OCUK are going to have the waterblock in stock ready tomorrow

tyler_jrb · 26 May 2016 at 12:31

steverebo said:
I'm going for the founders edition purely for the EK full cover waterblock but there is no word on whether OCUK are going to have the waterblock in stock ready tomorrow

I'm going for waterblocks but the 8pin is too restrictive on power. I'll be waiting for EVGA classified blocks for full overclocking potential with 6+8pin.

Run them on air in the meantime.

OCUK probably won't have them in. You could order them direct from EK and have them sat or Monday.

Kaapstad · 26 May 2016 at 12:34

EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 pictured?

http://videocardz.com/60297/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-sc-acx-3-0-pictured

Jimdriver2 · 26 May 2016 at 12:35

I'm still kind of hopeful about the AIO cards prices. I think there's (just about!) hope.

They did announce the lower price originally, so surely some cards have to be close to that. I know the whole throttling issue has meant that for most people on here the Founder Editions aren't appealing at all because we know the customs will be better. I think Nvidia are banking on plenty of other people not knowing that. There will be some who want them straight away and then some people who actually prefer the FE for SLI. There's also the 'feeling' aspect of having the official / slick looking card with the special 'Founders Edition' tag that will appeal.

Also if they don't have a good range when it comes to the price it could really hurt them with sales to the 'lower' end.

If the FE are £620-£650 and then the customs (due to being better) are £650-£700+ that rules them out for loads of people. The 1070's price then needs to be relative to the 1080. Given the difference in power between the two you'd have to imagine 1070's would need to be priced between £500-£600. That price point, for what really is Nvidia's mid-range card this generation will again rule out loads of people. The massive such of the 970 was the level of power at such a good price. It was almost as good as the high end AMD but cost way less.

Given that AMD have been clear they're really targeting the midrange this time they could really price Nvidia out if the 1070's are too expensive. They'll just need to get a card that's even a little less powerful than the 1070 but priced around £300-£400 and they'll own the midrange.

So for that scenario not to occur either the custom 1080's need to be £550ish and/or the 1070's need to cost between £400-£500.

At least that's what I'm hoping will happen, it's all just complete presumption on my part!

steverebo · 26 May 2016 at 12:37

when are the non reference cards due to launch?

Legend · 26 May 2016 at 12:42

Jimdriver2 said:
I'm still kind of hopeful about the AIO cards prices. I think there's (just about!) hope.

They did announce the lower price originally, so surely some cards have to be close to that...

Yup, here are your cheap $599 (£550 most likely) 1080's...

Want something better? Then expect to pay FE price or possibly more.