Nvidia prices the norm?

[Psycho Sonny]

I wish.

They way real progress worked before the 20 series is that performance shifted over the price points. The 1070 was as fast or faster than the 980 (as fast as the Ti even in some cases) yet sold around the price point of the 970. The 1080 was as fast as the 980 Ti and sold for about 980 prices.

With every generational progression, our money would get bumped up at least a tier in performance. That didn't happen this last time. Our money basically went nowhere.

If they had sent samples to reviewers with no names or prices on the cards, and just used benchmarks to figure out what was what, the 2080 Ti would have been called a 2080 and the price would have been $650-$700.

You are wrong here.

The 1080ti was £600-£1500 over it's life.

The 2070 super was £400 in December and launched at £500 upwards.

So faster, better card and at least 1/3rd cheaper.

 

[arc@css]

I'm not expecting that, if anything they will be less expensive.

+1

 

[Twinz]

You are wrong here.

The 1080ti was £600-£1500 over it's life.

The 2070 super was £400 in December and launched at £500 upwards.

So faster, better card and at least 1/3rd cheaper.

Um, no. Just no.

1080Ti launches at 600-700
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

2080 (non Ti) lunches at 700-800
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review

...and generally produced the same FPS as the 1080Ti. More money, same FPS.

The super stuff cam LATER, after AMD brought Navi...THEN Nvidia brought us something that looked more like a modest generational upgrade.

Your "life of the card" reference is a red herring. Nvidia didn't set mining prices. They made their products and stated their prices. -And I have posted them and their reviews from a reputable web site.

I'm not sure why you seem to be trying to revise history here. Look at the reviews, the prices, the benchmarks.

Our money went nowhere UNTIL AMD forced Nvidia to compete.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Um, no. Just no.

1080Ti launches at 600-700
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

2080 (non Ti) lunches at 700-800
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review

...and generally produced the same FPS as the 1080Ti. More money, same FPS.

The super stuff cam LATER, after AMD brought Navi...THEN Nvidia brought us something that looked more like a modest generational upgrade.

Your "life of the card" reference is a red herring. Nvidia didn't set mining prices. They made their products and stated their prices. -And I have posted them and their reviews from a reputable web site.

I'm not sure why you seem to be trying to revise history here. Look at the reviews, the prices, the benchmarks.

Our money went nowhere UNTIL AMD forced Nvidia to compete.

it's not a red herring. prices went up.

also with no competition nvidia can set whatever price they want if they have a monopoly. it's all relative.

if i own the mobile phone market and i now say new phones are £5K then that is the price. i don't care if the old phone did the same for £1K.

prices came down when AMD became competitive on both power and pricing.

 

[Twinz]

And then there's the Gamers Nexus review which puts it rather plainly:

"Conclusion: Is the RTX 2080 Worth It?
No -- not yet.

The card is fine, and what nVidia is trying to do is commendable and, we think, an eventual future for gaming technology. That does not mean that it's worth the price at present, however. The RTX 2080 is poor value today. NVidia's own GTX 1080 Ti offers superior value at $150 less, in some cases, or $100 less on average. The cards perform equivalently, and yet the 1080 Ti is cheaper and still readily available (and with better models, too). "

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...ders-edition-review-benchmarks-vs-gtx-1080-ti

The fact that Nvidia "can charge what they want" is more of an excuse for *why* Turing's price/performance was no better than Pascal's at launch....rather than rebuttal to my point.

 

[ljt]

Um, no. Just no.

1080Ti launches at 600-700
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

2080 (non Ti) lunches at 700-800
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-2080-founders-edition-review

...and generally produced the same FPS as the 1080Ti. More money, same FPS.

The super stuff cam LATER, after AMD brought Navi...THEN Nvidia brought us something that looked more like a modest generational upgrade.

Your "life of the card" reference is a red herring. Nvidia didn't set mining prices. They made their products and stated their prices. -And I have posted them and their reviews from a reputable web site.

I'm not sure why you seem to be trying to revise history here. Look at the reviews, the prices, the benchmarks.

Our money went nowhere UNTIL AMD forced Nvidia to compete.

It's pointless trying to reason with him, I gave up. He keeps using the prices during a mining blip to argue his point.

You know, and I know, you compare msrp to msrp on launch between generations to determine price to performance. You don't use price changes caused by external market factors in that equation.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

To be honest, claiming a 1080ti cost £1500 is adding nothing to the conversation.

 

[greatash]

They way real progress worked before the 20 series is that performance shifted over the price points. The 1070 was as fast or faster than the 980 (as fast as the Ti even in some cases) yet sold around the price point of the 970. The 1080 was as fast as the 980 Ti and sold for about 980 prices.

This is way off. 1070 was as fast as the 980ti but cost more than the 980 (£450ish on release), the 970 launched at £260. the 1070 was nowhere near the 970s price point.

1080 was 30%~ faster than the 980ti but also launched at a more expensive price than the 980ti, nevermind the 980 price. You could get a 980ti for roughly £550 on launch, while the 1080 was more like £700 thanks to the founders edition jacking up prices.

 

[McGraw]

This is way off. 1070 was as fast as the 980ti but cost more than the 980 (£450ish on release), the 970 launched at £260. the 1070 was nowhere near the 970s price point.

1080 was 30%~ faster than the 980ti but also launched at a more expensive price than the 980ti, nevermind the 980 price. You could get a 980ti for roughly £550 on launch, while the 1080 was more like £700 thanks to the founders edition jacking up prices.

my 1070 was £380 within two weeks of launch.

I resented paying that as it was £100 more than my 970 at launch.

if the 3070 is less than £500 and is about the same as a 2080s I won’t moan.

 

[Twinz]

This is way off. 1070 was as fast as the 980ti but cost more than the 980 (£450ish on release), the 970 launched at £260. the 1070 was nowhere near the 970s price point.

1080 was 30%~ faster than the 980ti but also launched at a more expensive price than the 980ti, nevermind the 980 price. You could get a 980ti for roughly £550 on launch, while the 1080 was more like £700 thanks to the founders edition jacking up prices.

980Ti Launch price: $649
https://www.anandtech.com/show/9306/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-ti-review
1080 Launch price: $599-$699 AIB/Founders
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review


980 launch price: $550
https://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review
1070 Launch Price :$379-$449 AIB/Founders
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review

 

[ljt]

All we can deduce from this, is that the last decent value series of Nvidia cards were the 9 series

After that it all started to go downhill, and fast!

 

[GAC]

Are we expecting the 3xxx series to be even more expensive?

if AMD pull another masterful mid range card launch yet again then yes the top end prices will continue, the fun starts with if AMD do launch a fast top end card on par with the 3080ti and just match prices then we will never see much movement.

if theres no competition prices will only ever go one way.

 

[silvagti]

AMD has the console market, so they are huge competition. With the prices the way they are more people are switching to console gaming. GPUs are like a side project for AMD, but its vital to Nvidia.

This +1

My feeling is that Nvidia will release the 3000 series cards this spring for comedy money (ie £1000+ ) before dropping prices next year in response to the new PS5/XBSX consoles coming out at Xmas.

Might as well gouge PC consumers whilst they have no alternatives and will pay top dollar for the best hardware available....

 

[Darujhistan]

3080ti to start @ £1300.

 

[Grim5]

3080ti to start @ £1300.

day 1 purchase. come at me

 

[easyrider]

To be honest, claiming a 1080ti cost £1500 is adding nothing to the conversation.

it’s hilarious...

 

[Twinz]

3080ti to start @ £1300.

The price in a vacuum isn't necessarily an issue. If, for example, it was 120% faster than a 2080Ti, I would spend $1300 on that next year.

 

[JonnyG1982]

if AMD pull another masterful mid range card launch yet again then yes the top end prices will continue, the fun starts with if AMD do launch a fast top end card on par with the 3080ti and just match prices then we will never see much movement.

if theres no competition prices will only ever go one way.

This is the worry. If AMD do actually get competitive they will likely just match Nvidia price instead of resetting price point.

 

[smilertoo]

nvidia will bump up the price until consumers say enough and refuse to buy.

 

[TNA]

The amount of people that say prices will go up is crazy. Music to Jensen’s ears as it suggests they don’t mind.

Prices will not be going up in my opinion. 3080Ti will be cheaper and anything below that will probably remain similar. I can see the 3070 landing at £450-£500 and offering 2080 Ti performance but with better RT. That is the card I will get.