Yet again i will say this is a BAD idea. It's all very well looking to launch a faster card but while thousands of people are still waiting on their 3080 they shouldn't be launching a damned thing until 3080 supply is plentiful and in stock in the majority of stores worldwide. They need to keep making as many 3080's as they can, not diverting manufacturing to a card that is, frankly, not needed or warranted.
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NVIDIA RTX 3080Ti to launch in January 2021?
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Soldato
The 3080ti will be very interesting addition to the market in my opinion because at ~£999 it would also I think force AMD to consider lowering the 6900XT and why I think it's wise to wait at the moment to see how things play out. The 3080ti I suspect would be the stronger product, especially in RT and display compression.
It is both needed and warranted if Nvidia want to compete with and exceed AMD next year in terms of performance and VRAM amounts. AMD just threw a mean right hook and Nvidia need to counter with an uppercut.
Its true. The 6900XT if it benches well is a big issue for NVIDIA.
If they manage to roll out 6900XT with some form of working super-resolution AND it manages to do better in RT ability.. then NVIDIA's hands are clearly forced.
I can't wait to see 6900XT vs 3080 benchmarks. 6900XT might really hit the sweetspot. I feel due to the missing RT, the 6800Xt is a hard-sell for me.
Most of the reviews I've seen are pretty even across most equivalent cards, in some games Green is Faster, in others, Red is but overall they're about on par I'd say. I still say that while 3080's are still in such short supply no manufacturing should be diverted elsewhere. There won't be enough capacity to make any meaningful numbers of 3080ti's anyway and it will just reduce 3080 manufacturing even further creating a 'double whammy' of low stock numbers across both cards and even worse feeling towards NVidia.
The very fact it is roughly even (except at 4k where Nvidia are better) in terms of performance is exactly why Nvidia will have to release something... they don't want even performance they want leadership. Plus they have less VRAM, which is something consumers will take into account.
They probably don't care too much about focusing only on the quantities 10GB 3080 at this point as it's lifespan is now hindered by the AMD-factors I mentioned above. Samsung 8nm could be a relatively short-lived product.
They have stabilised. Lots of places carrying 3090 stock at MRSP like £1399 for the Gigabyte Eagle OC and £1469 for the MSI Gaming OC 3090. I reckon by next week we will start seeing the 3090s which should have been less than £1399 in stock as well.
6900xt will beat the 3080 in everything except for RT and DLSS. And in some games like valhalla and if you have SAM available the 6800xt is already 40% faster than a 3080 so the 6900xt will stomp it and a 3090.
Once you are 40-50% faster in raster, even if you take a bigger hit for putting RT on, you still might be quicker overall.
Interesting times
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They'll likely trickle out a handful to claim top spot for the all important mindshare and reviews advantage but most won't be able to lay their hands on one for months I imagine.
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I think if Nvidia were going TSMC for the 3080Ti I would agree, but as you say can't leave the 6900XT unchallenged that long cause Jensen gets all sensitive and stuff about the size of his spatula.
So Q1 late January for the 3080Ti will have to be Samsung's 8nm, so basically the 3090 enabled board with less memory possibly clocked higher/more power IDK seems Ampere was stretched already, and they need to find 20% for the Ti?
My dude Nvidia diverted manufacturing weeks ago, the 3080 was a sleight of hand to divert sales from AMD until nvidia could see where they land and come back above AMD.
AMD did catch Nvidia napping, so nvidia planned accordingly knowing full well there was no way to reach market with a superior product before AMD, I honestly think with no 6000 series Nvidia would have stretched the 2080Ti until Q4 2021 and possibly that plan is what caught Nvidia napping when AMD came out of left field with an actually competitive product.
Nvidia did just enough to be disruptive with the 3080 and now they will come back with a better (yet more expensive) option. I honestly see thats the plan all along for nvidia this year.
Announcement from Nvidia hot off the press:
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-is-as-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-rtx-30-series-stock-as-you-are/
Nvidia CFO Colette Kress notes (via Seeking Alpha) that "given industry-wide capacity constraints and long cycle times, it may take a few more months for product availability to catch up with demand."
We don't have specific sales numbers to hand to confirm launch day inventory, but Nvidia, at least, has indicated that it produced and sold through as many cards as it did back at Turing's launch—for whatever that's worth.
But Kress' statement may allude to further complications behind-the-scenes that could be at least partially to blame for low availability. Specifically, "capacity constraints and long cycle times."
CEO Huang also chimed in with similar concerns and a wish for "more agile supply chains" in the call.
"Our growth is, in the near term, is more affected by the cycle time of manufacturing and flexibility of supply," Huang says. "We are in a good shape and all of our supply informs our guidance, but we would appreciate shorter cycle times—we would appreciate more agile supply chains. But, the world is constrained at the moment. And so, we just have to make the best of it. But, even in that condition, all of that is building for our guidance, and we expect to grow."
https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-is-as-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-rtx-30-series-stock-as-you-are/
Nvidia CFO Colette Kress notes (via Seeking Alpha) that "given industry-wide capacity constraints and long cycle times, it may take a few more months for product availability to catch up with demand."
We don't have specific sales numbers to hand to confirm launch day inventory, but Nvidia, at least, has indicated that it produced and sold through as many cards as it did back at Turing's launch—for whatever that's worth.
But Kress' statement may allude to further complications behind-the-scenes that could be at least partially to blame for low availability. Specifically, "capacity constraints and long cycle times."
CEO Huang also chimed in with similar concerns and a wish for "more agile supply chains" in the call.
"Our growth is, in the near term, is more affected by the cycle time of manufacturing and flexibility of supply," Huang says. "We are in a good shape and all of our supply informs our guidance, but we would appreciate shorter cycle times—we would appreciate more agile supply chains. But, the world is constrained at the moment. And so, we just have to make the best of it. But, even in that condition, all of that is building for our guidance, and we expect to grow."
He keeps saying supply is constrained but is manufacturing 3070 Ti, 3080 Ti and 3060 Ti in the back-end lol. Latest leaks from Kopite suggest RTX 3080 is being moved over to GA103 while the RTX 3080 Ti gets the GA102. This is just clever posturing by NVIDIA. Expect worse binned 3080s from hereon to enter the market though.
Kinda where I have landed, I love the AMD cards I just cant justify taking one over the upcoming Ti when you add in the 4k Performance and software stack Nvidia is offering, had the 6800XT been £100 cheaper than the 3080 that would have been a different mindshare for me, but as is unless the 6800XT AIB cards overclock like a boss and give some amazing uplift I cant justify buying one.
Interesting. The 3070 Ti is listed there too... I wonder if it's a 16GB VRAM 'juiced up' card that bridges the gap between a 3070 and 3080.
The slower RT performance and no direct equivalent to DLSS (for the moment) is the problem for me on the RX cards.
I am still interested to see if the RX 6900XT can do any better with the extra cores and TMUs it has on hand.
But that's what it's all leading up to (in my mind)... an showdown between the RX 6900XT and RTX 3080Ti.
One of those two cards will be my next purchase, I just don't know which one it will be.
But yeah looking forward to the 8th of Dec.
I am still interested to see if the RX 6900XT can do any better with the extra cores and TMUs it has on hand.
But that's what it's all leading up to (in my mind)... an showdown between the RX 6900XT and RTX 3080Ti.
One of those two cards will be my next purchase, I just don't know which one it will be.
But yeah looking forward to the 8th of Dec.
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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-6800-xt-strix-oc-lc-liquid-cooled/
$1000 .. for a 6800xt see told you all and Sapphire nitro+ is $770 .. so they say but not 100% confirmed. With the price gouging from retailers add £150-£300 for the strix and £100-£200 for the Sapphire when they go for sale , ignore the fake price they have now as that will not be the price they sell at or preorder at.
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It's always possible to find an insanely over priced version of any card and retailers are simply being greedy. Strix cards being £/$300 more than msrp is hardly news or a revelation it's been that way for a decade. After Xmas there will be cards more reasonably priced although given the lack of direct sales of the 6800XT from AMD AIBs are going to continue to take us for a ride with prices for the next few months. Either way I'm not in a rush so will wait until a compelling offer although the 3080FE direct from Nvidia seems to be the best prospect if they ever bother to have any in stock.
Well the 3080 Ti will be £1150 or higher if you had gouging and Asus premium to to it.