NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - (PRE)ORDER DISCUSSION **NO COMPETITOR HINTING**

[Jay-G25]

Ahh yes, the retail stores making single digit % profit (which is then taxed) are the bad guys vs the private scalpers looking for near 3 digit % profit and not paying tax.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

The issue most of us have is the price difference ocuk is charging in comparison to the competition... £300 extra on most top skus is not on and clearly leaves a bad taste in most people mouth. If the competition ( more than 1 company btw ) can afford to sell them at significantly cheaper prices then why the hell are ocuk charging so much extra ? It is literally driving away your customer base , as I've put previously would have been more than happy to support OCUK with a 5090 sale had the prices been inline with other but that wasn't/ isn't the case so kept my sale with the competitor who is significantly cheaper even with the threat of a price rise ... would have to drop some to make up that £300 difference

 

[montymint]

The issue most of us have is the price difference ocuk is charging in comparison to the competition... £300 extra on most top skus is not on and clearly leaves a bad taste in most people mouth. If the competition ( more than 1 company btw ) can afford to sell them at significantly cheaper prices then why the hell are ocuk charging so much extra . It is literally driving away your customer base , as I've put previously would have been more than happy to support OCUK with a 5090 sale had the prices been inline with other but that wasn't/ isn't the case so kept my sale with the competitor who is significantly cheaper even with the threat of a price rise ... would have to drop some to make up that £300 difference

If it’s the FE company I’d imagine they are getting a kick back from nvidia to sell the FE (because let’s be fair, the FE exists as a marketing ploy). Plus their other prices tend to be higher than ocuk - certainly was when I was pricing up cpu + ram + mobo.

But sure, the stores are the bad guys. Paying staff , taxes etc vs private scummy scalpers who charge over twice the price of the units they sell and pay no one but themselves.

 

[Hostile_18]

If it’s the FE company I’d imagine they are getting a kick back from nvidia to sell the FE (because let’s be fair, the FE exists as a marketing ploy). Plus their other prices tend to be higher than ocuk - certainly was when I was pricing up cpu + ram + mobo.

It's like for like same graphics cards up to +£300 in some cases. Apparently to avoid some in pre order ques skus going up in price, due to currency fluctuations.

 

[DavieJG]

When ocuk Dutch auctions the 6000 series starting at £8k a card, citing it would be crazy not to in a capitalist world, I know where I'm coming for my quotes.

 

[Itc]

 

[mrBr00n]

The amount of money that is sitting in some of the retailers accounts is staggering when you think about it, and they've only delivered a small fraction of the product.

I know that I was 178 in the queue (bloody school run got in the way) so who knows what it got up to. That's shy of half a mil, for just a single card.

 

[Jay-G25]

If it’s the FE company I’d imagine they are getting a kick back from nvidia to sell the FE (because let’s be fair, the FE exists as a marketing ploy). Plus their other prices tend to be higher than ocuk - certainly was when I was pricing up cpu + ram + mobo.

But sure, the stores are the bad guys. Paying staff , taxes etc vs private scummy scalpers who charge over twice the price of the units they sell and pay no one but themselves.

Them and the forest but I'm on about the aib sku rather than FE . I totally understand the 2nd paragraph about paying staff and taxes etc which of course we all want the company to do but the fact remains others are managing to do the same at significantly cheaper prices. I like ocuk as a company and am happy to support them in most situations but when I see blatant price inflation it really does put me off shopping here and i have probably spent 5 figure sum over the years when prices were better ... I got a 3090 and 4090 from here as prices were much more reasonable then but this 50 series launch has made me look elsewhere. Hopefully the 60 series prices fall back inline

 

[Bill Turnip]

It's like for like same graphics cards up to +£300 in some cases. Apparently to avoid some in pre order ques skus going up in price, due to currency fluctuations.

I kinda get your point, but any faux outrage is a little lost in your case. I actually understand your position, a easy £3k is difficult to turn down, but this price is due to market scarcity, which retailers are also able to exploit, and would almost be financially remiss if they didn't. That may be an unpopular point, but it's the exact one you are using.

OCUK may be pricing higher than competitors, but they are perfectly permitted to do as well. I do not see how you can about retailers doing it, but it being perfectly fine for an individual. It will be riskier for OCUK to overprice as they need to maintain a customer base or attract new customers, but that is the chance they take. OCUK are choosing to do, except that they will also have to deal with aftercare, warranties, taxes and other parts that simply come with running a business. If they price too high and lose customers, that is a decision they make and suffer the consequences after it's one of the risks of running a business, and is not something an opportunistic individual seller needs to consider. One, run, done.

Claiming that 3k is too difficult to turn down in your position is fine and understandable, but calling retailers out on exactly the same doesn't wash.

 

[Murphy]

I thought we were talking about making a profit? Or are you saying we can't sell our old stuff either to fund new?

No, we were talking about what you said and what i quoted. Your claim that "And it's a single item, once."

Also no, we're not saying people can't sell "our old stuff either to fund new". Personally i find it hard to believe that a 4090 FE, a 4090 SUPRIM, and an ASUS TUF 4090 was just your old stuff, especially when one of those was listed as being two weeks old, and they were all sold over a year ago. But if that's the story you want to tell people because you're feeling guilty or something then who am i to stop you.

I just think it's a bit hypocritical to moan about OCUK charging high prices only to go and do the same thing yourself, like i said though i think both your anger towards retailers charging high prices and peoples anger towards you is misdirected. You're getting angry at retailers, people are getting angry at you, but it's Nvidia who are limiting supply and the cause of the issue IMO.

 

[Hostile_18]

I kinda get your point, but any faux outrage is a little lost in your case. I actually understand your position, a easy £3k is difficult to turn down, but this price is due to market scarcity, which retailers are also able to exploit, and would almost be financially remiss if they didn't. That may be an unpopular point, but it's the exact one you are using.

OCUK may be pricing higher than competitors, but they are perfectly permitted to do as well. I do not see how you can about retailers doing it, but it being perfectly fine for an individual. It will be riskier for OCUK to overprice as they need to maintain a customer base or attract new customers, but that is the chance they take. OCUK are choosing to do, except that they will also have to deal with aftercare, warranties, taxes and other parts that simply come with running a business. If they price too high and lose customers, that is a decision they make and suffer the consequences after it's one of the risks of running a business, and is not something an opportunistic seller needs to consider. One, run, done.

Claiming that 3k is too difficult to turn down in your position is fine and understandable, but calling retailers out on exactly the same doesn't wash.

Yeah I'm not outraged or angry or anything just critical, for the reasons you stated mainly about maintaining repeat custom, goodwill etc.

The fact is this launch has been so poor, we should never have to consider how much our GPU is worth, just plug it in and enjoy it. Whether someone can ignore the real world cost is up to them.

 

[DavieJG]

I kinda get your point, but any faux outrage is a little lost in your case. I actually understand your position, a easy £3k is difficult to turn down, but this price is due to market scarcity, which retailers are also able to exploit, and would almost be financially remiss if they didn't. That may be an unpopular point, but it's the exact one you are using.

OCUK may be pricing higher than competitors, but they are perfectly permitted to do as well. I do not see how you can about retailers doing it, but it being perfectly fine for an individual. It will be riskier for OCUK to overprice as they need to maintain a customer base or attract new customers, but that is the chance they take. OCUK are choosing to do, except that they will also have to deal with aftercare, warranties, taxes and other parts that simply come with running a business. If they price too high and lose customers, that is a decision they make and suffer the consequences after it's one of the risks of running a business, and is not something an opportunistic seller needs to consider. One, run, done.

Claiming that 3k is too difficult to turn down in your position is fine and understandable, but calling retailers out on exactly the same doesn't wash.

It's impossible to say I spent £3k on a graphics card and also £3k means a lot to me financially in the same argument.

 

[Hostile_18]

No, we were talking about what you said and what i quoted. Your claim that "And it's a single item, once."

Also no, we're not saying people can't sell "our old stuff either to fund new". Personally i find it hard to believe that a 4090 FE, a 4090 SUPRIM, and an ASUS TUF 4090 was just your old stuff, especially when one of those was listed as being two weeks old, and they were all sold over a year ago. But if that's the story you want to tell people because you're feeling guilty or something then who am i to stop you.

I just think it's a bit hypocritical to moan about OCUK charging high prices only to go and do the same thing yourself, like i said though i think both your anger towards retailers charging high prices and peoples anger towards you is misdirected. You're getting angry at retailers, people are getting angry at you, but it's Nvidia who are limiting supply and the cause of the issue IMO.

Why insinuate I'm making up a story? Based on what evidence? Considering you are essentially calling me a liar, can you tell me where I get these 4090's so cheap that selling at a loss would be some kind of net benefit? Surely I would have to be able to get better than trade prices to make that worth while. If you want to take it to PM I can show you my invoices. I just think its extremely unfair to make assumptions and present them as if they are fact to people.

 

[Hostile_18]

It's impossible to say I spent £3k on a graphics card and also £3k means a lot to me financially in the same argument.

No its not. I built up my GPU history over 3 generations. Each time selling at the end and putting more money into it on top, as I'd never be able to buy one outright on my wage. Gaming is my number one hobby and I use my PC everyday in some capacity, to me its worth it.

 

[banbom44]

I kinda get your point, but any faux outrage is a little lost in your case. I actually understand your position, a easy £3k is difficult to turn down, but this price is due to market scarcity, which retailers are also able to exploit, and would almost be financially remiss if they didn't. That may be an unpopular point, but it's the exact one you are using.

OCUK may be pricing higher than competitors, but they are perfectly permitted to do as well. I do not see how you can about retailers doing it, but it being perfectly fine for an individual. It will be riskier for OCUK to overprice as they need to maintain a customer base or attract new customers, but that is the chance they take. OCUK are choosing to do, except that they will also have to deal with aftercare, warranties, taxes and other parts that simply come with running a business. If they price too high and lose customers, that is a decision they make and suffer the consequences after it's one of the risks of running a business, and is not something an opportunistic seller needs to consider. One, run, done.

Claiming that 3k is too difficult to turn down in your position is fine and understandable, but calling retailers out on exactly the same doesn't wash.

Why would you pay 6 grand for a single Graphics card when you can get a full system with a 9800x3d and a 5090 for 4 grand and get it in about two weeks.

 

[Bill Turnip]

It's impossible to say I spent £3k on a graphics card and also £3k means a lot to me financially in the same argument

Wish it was, but it isn't. One of the whole issues with scalpers is the fact they are buying from retailers, and so can return the item if it doesn't sell. Buy it on credit? No real risk.

If people will pay these stupid amounts, people will sell. I'm not saying it's right, but it is fact.

 

[Dave2150]

Think mods need to cleanup this thread, should be about 5000 series pre-orders, not about what one person choses to do with their property.

 

[Hostile_18]

Think mods need to cleanup this thread, should be about 5000 series pre-orders, not about what one person choses to do with their property.

Agreed, and I have definitely tried to explain my position from my perspective. I won't respond about it anymore, but If anyone makes more claims against me I hope they read though my previous posts or pm me and decide for themselves.

I hope they all roll out for everyone ASAP

 

[DavieJG]

Wish it was, but it isn't. One of the whole issues with scalpers is the fact they are buying from retailers, and so can return the item if it doesn't sell. Buy it on credit? No real risk.

If people will pay these stupid amounts, people will sell. I'm not saying it's right, but it is fact.

You need to add the context that at the point of purchase, the intention is to keep the card.

 

[Josh]

Think mods need to cleanup this thread, should be about 5000 series pre-orders, not about what one person choses to do with their property.

Don't worry, we're looking into all of it.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Ahh yes, the retail stores making single digit % profit (which is then taxed) are the bad guys vs the private scalpers looking for near 3 digit % profit and not paying tax.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure

He will / should pay tax should he sell for profit in excess of £1,000.