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Nvidia rumour to be launching new GTX 11 series without ray tracing

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
JPR and Mercury research define it as under £300(if you convert from USD) since another name for midrange is mainstream. Enthusiast level starts at £300 onwards IIRC and AMD and Nvidia use these companies for marketing bumpf. Midrange is price defined,otherwise it would be like saying since Ford has a GT40 which costs 100s of £1000s,a Ford which cost £50000 is budget territory(The average price of a car in the UK is under £30000).

It isn't though as luxury tier products are not indicate of what is considered midrange,since midrange,or better known as mainstream,is done mostly on price. For instance dozens of market research companies,phone companies like One Plus,etc consider high end phones start at £350 to £400,and everything under is midrange/mainstream or low end/budget.

Except,the market above £400 goes upto £10000 for phones. Its only enthusiasts on hardware forums who have this weird notion that just because a top card might cost £1500,suddenly all the stuff below it has to move up tiers. It does not happen with most tech products or most stuff in the realworld. High end and luxury tier products are targetted towards people where pricing can be more elastic. Mainstream and budget is more price limited due to the people targetted.

Hence why on Steam most cards are under £300. There are more GTX1060 users than all the GTX1080TI,GTX1080,GTX1070TI and GTX1070 users combined,and that is a survey which is more likely to be answered by people who have some interest in hardware.

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/12499/q4-2017-discrete-graphics-card-shipment-report

In that report from last year,JPR defined high end as $250+ and only 16% of sales last year during the mining boom were over $250.

Mid-range is defined as $150 to $250 and over half of GPU sales happened in early 2018 in that price range.

Even if you said $300,its still under £300.
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Midrange and mainstream do not mean the same thing.

None of us here will deny that the Turing range of cards have bad prices, but the 2060 is the middle of the range and in my opinion it is just a tad too steep to really be considered a mainstream part.
 
CuriousTomCat said:
The 2080 is a mid tier RTX card yes. Not a mid tier card because their full range goes down to an xx30.

The 2060 is Nvidia's mid tier card and the 2080 is a high end card. To call the 2080 mid teir is like looking at a mid tier supercar and calling it a mid tier car. Or a mid tier mansion and calling it a mid tier house
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Lol the RTX 2060 didn’t exist when the 2080 launched. We only had the three cards, 2070, 2080 and the Ti. The 2080 was marketed as mid tier before Nvidia moved the goalposts.

Forget everything else, I’m talking specifically about RTX and what was available on launch.

The launch was deliberately confusing. Why? Because confusion and limited choice creates an opportunity to make money. Anyone who preordered an RTX GPU was victim to Nvidias social marketing experiment.
 
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Bluntwrapped said:
Lol the RTX 2060 didn’t exist when the 2080 launched. We only had the three cards, 2070, 2080 and the Ti. The 2080 was marketed as mid tier before Nvidia moved the goalposts.
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But that's the point, mid tier RTX with the current line up is not a general mid tier card when RTX currently occupies only the higher half of the market, it's very much a high end part. You say "forget everything else", but everything else is highly relevant. Take it to a more extreme example - Nvidia only launched an RTX2080 and an RTX 2080Ti, is the RTX 2080 a low end card in that scenario? of course not, but it's the low tier RTX card so using your logic it must be. That's not even too far from the truth, because as you point out for a while there were only the RTX 2070/2080/2080Ti which again under your logic of ignoring everything else would make the 2070 a low end card which it plainly isn't.

You can't ignore the rest of the market when talking about what is low/mid/high end.

Once again, the pricing is nuts whatever way you cut it and is why I am sitting this out on the sidelines, but considering the RTX2080 a mid range card is elitist nonsense my humble opinion.
 
I like to think about it based on graphical settings & resolution. e.g.:

1080p 60 fps -> Budget Tier
1440p 60 fps -> Mid Tier
2160p 60 fps -> High Tier
>2160p / > 60 fps -> Enthusiast/Ultra-Enthusiast (depending on what combination of higher res & higher refresh we're talking about).

So if a card's above 1080p 60fps but not quite at 1440p 60 fps then that's still within budget tier, but for 4K results being near to 60 fps but not quite there would still qualify you for High Tier. So you'd have:

Budget Tier: RX 4/570 & 4/580 & 590, GTX 1050 ti & 1060
Mid Tier: GTX 1070/ti/80, RTX 2060/70, Vega 56 & 64
High Tier: GTX 1080ti, RTX 2080, Radeon 7
Enthuisast Tier: RTX 2080ti, RTX Titan

I don't base it on results from bugged/stupid settings, so Ultra Volumetric Clouds in Odyssey would bring even the 2080ti to its knees but the visual difference from high/very high is undetectable so I wouldn't use the performance numbers for ultra to decide. Likewise, I wouldn't MSAA/SSAA numbers either.
 
Poneros said:
I like to think about it based on graphical settings & resolution. e.g.:

1080p 60 fps -> Budget Tier
1440p 60 fps -> Mid Tier
2160p 60 fps -> High Tier
>2160p / > 60 fps -> Enthusiast/Ultra-Enthusiast (depending on what combination of higher res & higher refresh we're talking about).
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you are looking at this with an enthusiast bias! 1080p/60 is NOT gaming on a budget and is infact still well in the realms of mid range gaming PC. many many gamers will still game on a monitor less than full HD and will also be perfectly OK with 30fps.

I am not one of them, but I AM an enthusiast PC gamer. Look at the steam hardware charts and you will see that RTX2080/GTX1080ti level cards is still at the very high end of the spectrum of Steam PC gamers.
 
Zeeflyboy said:
But that's the point, mid tier RTX with the current line up is not a general mid tier card when RTX currently occupies only the higher half of the market, it's very much a high end part. You say "forget everything else", but everything else is highly relevant. Take it to a more extreme example - Nvidia only launched an RTX2080 and an RTX 2080Ti, is the RTX 2080 a low end card in that scenario? of course not, but it's the low tier RTX card so using your logic it must be. That's not even too far from the truth, because as you point out for a while there were only the RTX 2070/2080/2080Ti which again under your logic of ignoring everything else would make the 2070 a low end card which it plainly isn't.

You can't ignore the rest of the market when talking about what is low/mid/high end.

Once again, the pricing is nuts whatever way you cut it and is why I am sitting this out on the sidelines, but considering the RTX2080 a mid range card is elitist nonsense my humble opinion.
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Lol I think you’re maybe a bit confused to the point I was making - I don’t think it’s acceptable to consider anything in regards to the RTX line as sensible or mid tier but that’s how Nvidia were marketing it. They’re trying to normalise this pricing madness for the next generation.

I agree with you but it is what it is - you’ll have the same people on this forum biting with every new generation, regardless of the price.

I think you must’ve missed what I was saying.
 
bigmike20vt said:
you are looking at this with an enthusiast bias! 1080p/60 is NOT gaming on a budget and is infact still well in the realms of mid range gaming PC. many many gamers will still game on a monitor less than full HD and will also be perfectly OK with 30fps.

I am not one of them, but I AM an enthusiast PC gamer. Look at the steam hardware charts and you will see that RTX2080/GTX1080ti level cards is still at the very high end of the spectrum of Steam PC gamers.
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Actually, most gamers are at 1080p (cf Steam survey) - 60%ish. If you don't consider £150-200 GPUs budget then I don't understand how you'd parse the rest of the GPU market, especially since there's not much below that, unless you want to count APUs, which I wouldn't.
 
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...1660_ti_seemingly_revealed_at_chinese_event/1

Nvidia Turing GTX 1660 Ti Seemingly Revealed At Chinese Event

Rumours of Nvidia's Turing-based GTX 1660 Ti graphics card have been circulating for several months, but now it looks like the graphics card is real, appearing at what appears to be a Chinese media event. The image below comes via the Chinese overclocker ShinChao Tou, who is also known as Uing07.

In the image below, we can clearly see the words "Geforce Turing", "New GTX Turing and "GTX 166" on the graphics card that's showcased, suggesting that the recent rumours regarding the GTX 1660 Ti are true.
Looking at the slide in the picture, we can see that the GTX 1660 Ti uses a cooler that's similar to Nvidia's RTX Founders Edition graphics cards, utilising a dual-fan cooler design on the company's own design.

Recent rumours regarding this graphics card have it listed with 1,536 CUDA cores and 6GB of GDDR6 memory over a 192-bit memory bus, giving the graphics card 256 more CUDA cores than the GTX 1060. When combined with Turing's improved SMs, which offer independent integer and floating point execution pipelines, the GTX 1660 Ti should offer a significant performance bump over today's GTX 1060 graphics cards.
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https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gtx-turing-teased-by-leaked-photograph

So there is a GTX1660TI and the GTX1660. The GTX1660 has GDDR5 and the same number of shaders as the GTX1060.

Prices apparently are $250 to $350!!

So it seems we have a GTX1060 6GB replacement at GTX1060 6GB pricing,with virtually the same specs.

I hope this is not true,as GTX1060 6GB cards are now under £200.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So it seems we have a GTX1060 6GB replacement at GTX1060 6GB pricing,with virtually the same specs.

I hope this is not true,as GTX1060 6GB cards are now under £200.
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In the end, why should it be any different, they did much the same with the RTX lineup. 2060 ~= 1070ti, 2070 ~= 1080, 2080 ~= 1080 ti. Only 2080ti & Titan RTX are truly new products. From what we hear about Navi, all that will do is mostly reduce prices a bit, no huge jumps to move segments around.

I think sadly we're going to see overall performance stagnation in the GPU market until mid-2020.
 
This is what Apple does, they won't reduce price on products already in the market for reasons of brand protection but they will release a new sku with reduced features with a significant price reduction. I'm convinced this is the path Nvidia will take because they are playing copycat with Apple i.e. lower unit sales with higher margins
 
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