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Nvidia rumour to be launching new GTX 11 series without ray tracing

Flake87 said:
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/17/amd-versus-nvidia-radeon-vii-7-nanometer/?guccounter=1

It would seem that AMDs new Radeon VII is a worthy competitor to NVidias RTX series and has out performed the RTX2080 in some games. There are now being more questions raised over the value of ray tracing at this time, and if NVidia wants to preserve its market share it cannot do that with a card costing around £1000 competing with another which costs half that and out performs it in certain applications.
It would make clear business sense to compete with the threat head on with a GTX 11 series and to keep the ray tracing for those who want it.
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RTX2080 is not around £1000 unless you go for a ludicrous over engineered one. you can get a perfectly acceptable RTX 2080 for £650-£700 (unless you are saying the R VII is going to beat the 2080ti in some games?)

I dont disagree than in the mid range AMD have some good cards but the post quoted above is playing fast and loose with the truth from what i can tell.

Add in the fact that the RTX2080 is readily available, and maybe Ray tracing an DLSS is not ready for the big time yet, but given a choice of have it or not have it for the same price, as well as the 50w saving which i know some here are scoffing at and ..... i will take it thanks.
(I only have a 650W PSU and hook a lot up to my PC so that extra 50W DOES make potentially the difference between having to buy a new psu and not having to buy one - even more so because i pass down my old gear into my arcade machine and that only has a 500w psu - not sure i would risk either card in a 500w psu mind you, but if i was to have any chance at all, every watt saved helps.)
 
Zeeflyboy said:
I certainly don't disagree with the comment about the price being bonkers, but to call 2080 "mid tier" is a bit of a stretch.
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It's between mid and high end

It's mad to think for the price of a RTX2080Ti I have got an Xbox One X, a BK 12" proper subwoofer and a 55" Samsung 4k TV
 
As the RTX series launched with only a few models, the 2080 was mid tier and was initially marketed that way before performance numbers surfaced.

Nvidia then reshuffled the tier, but only after meeting their preorder target and encouraging the average person to spend way more than they need to.
 
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Zeeflyboy said:
I certainly don't disagree with the comment about the price being bonkers, but to call 2080 "mid tier" is a bit of a stretch.
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Debatable, but of nVidia's current generation of RTX graphics cards, it sits in the middle. I'd say it's upper-mid.

RTX 2060 -- RTX 2070 --> RTX 2080 <-- RTX 2080Ti -- RTX Titan
 
willhub said:
Where exactly is middle performance though, it'll be somewhere along the 2070?
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I would've thought middle performance would be with the middle card. So the 2080 is the middle performance RTX card. Just because Nvidia have shifted the performance brackets up a tiny bit and rampantly inflated prices for the privilege doesn't remove the fact that the RTX 2080 is the mid tier RTX card.
 
Yeah but in terms of available graphics cards it's much closer to top end.... saying it's mid range of the current RTX cards is like saying the 911 is a mid range car... true enough in terms of porsche's own stable, but not really in context of the wider market.

Fact is that 2080 in performance terms is very much within the higher tier of all cards currently available, and I think it shows this forum's bias towards high end performance to consider otherwise. Mid range is really 2060/2070/vega 64 etc with the 1050/1050Ti being low end, 2080/2080ti being high end and titan being the silly card.

All that said, the price is still nuts whatever way you cut it.
 
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Guess it depends where you define range... it’s definitely mid range of the market as a whole, even though (for now) the top end of AMD’s offering. Would you call a Vega 64 a high end card? Personally I wouldn’t, it’s just AMD aren’t at this exact moment in time competing in the high end.

Anyway, it’s a question of semantics... so we can go round and round and will probably just have to agree to disagree - I just personally think calling what until very recently was the second fastest gaming card money could buy and is now the 3rd fastest behind a ridiculously expensive Titan and a mildly less ridiculously expensive 2080Ti “mid tier” is a little rich when the market at this time consists of tens of cards currently available. It’s not the absolute top end, but definitely high end imho.
 
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bru said:
You do know what mid range means, it is literally the middle of the range.
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JPR and Mercury research define it as under £300(if you convert from USD) since another name for midrange is mainstream. Enthusiast level starts at £300 onwards IIRC and AMD and Nvidia use these companies for marketing bumpf. Midrange is price defined,otherwise it would be like saying since Ford has a GT40 which costs 100s of £1000s,a Ford which cost £50000 is budget territory(The average price of a car in the UK is under £30000).

It isn't though as luxury tier products are not indicate of what is considered midrange,since midrange,or better known as mainstream,is done mostly on price. For instance dozens of market research companies,phone companies like One Plus,etc consider high end phones start at £350 to £400,and everything under is midrange/mainstream or low end/budget.

Except,the market above £400 goes upto £10000 for phones. Its only enthusiasts on hardware forums who have this weird notion that just because a top card might cost £1500,suddenly all the stuff below it has to move up tiers. It does not happen with most tech products or most stuff in the realworld. High end and luxury tier products are targetted towards people where pricing can be more elastic. Mainstream and budget is more price limited due to the people targetted.

Hence why on Steam most cards are under £300. There are more GTX1060 users than all the GTX1080TI,GTX1080,GTX1070TI and GTX1070 users combined,and that is a survey which is more likely to be answered by people who have some interest in hardware.

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/12499/q4-2017-discrete-graphics-card-shipment-report

In that report from last year,JPR defined high end as $250+ and only 16% of sales last year during the mining boom were over $250.

Mid-range is defined as $150 to $250 and over half of GPU sales happened in early 2018 in that price range.

Even if you said $300,its still under £300.
 
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Bluntwrapped said:
£650-700 for a mid tier card IMO is absolutely bonkers but each to their own lol.
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Rossi~ said:
Debatable, but of nVidia's current generation of RTX graphics cards, it sits in the middle. I'd say it's upper-mid.

RTX 2060 -- RTX 2070 --> RTX 2080 <-- RTX 2080Ti -- RTX Titan
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The 2080 is a mid tier RTX card yes. Not a mid tier card because their full range goes down to an xx30.

The 2060 is Nvidia's mid tier card and the 2080 is a high end card. To call the 2080 mid teir is like looking at a mid tier supercar and calling it a mid tier car. Or a mid tier mansion and calling it a mid tier house
 
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