NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?

faceman123 · 18 Jan 2018 at 18:51

How will a gtx 1080 stack Vs 2xxx series card will it be as powerful as 2070?

psychas · 18 Jan 2018 at 18:54

doubt it probably 1080 = 2060 (1160)

faceman123 · 18 Jan 2018 at 18:55

psychas said:
doubt it probably 1080 = 2060 (1160)

Maybe a good time to sell up now and buy 2070 hehe

psychas · 18 Jan 2018 at 18:56

there is no release date , no point to sell yet

Kaapstad · 18 Jan 2018 at 20:14

KillBoY_UK said:
It all depends, 20w on a top tier 250w cards is not much in the grand scheme of things but when your memory controller and ram is sucking up 1/3 of the boards TDP like with RX480/RX580 it makes you wonder how much performance is being held back to get inside the typical board TDP's of 250/150/75w.

I thing it be better for AMD to come out with a 5970 type product, ie top quite taking the performance crown but 90-95% of the cutting edge performance on a smaller cheaper to produce chip which much less power consumption.

Its happened in that past when nvidia (NV30/Fermi) or AMD (Rage128/R600/Vega) have come out with big hot power hungry stinkers they had to start from scratch to get back in the "game" so to speak.

I think design is more important than how many watts a card pulls, the GTX 480 was just a very poorly designed card as it used less power than a lot of todays top end cards yet it ran very hot.

BS Dave · 18 Jan 2018 at 20:38

When do we reckon is a good time to sell your previous card - after the announcement/price and benchmarks? I think Nvidia will want the cards to get good press on release so some should be available at reasonable prices for a few minutes at least... maybe Gibbo will let people pre-order like he did Vega? Come to think of it RE selling if crypto is still going strong maybe you don’t even need to sell your old card first as demand will still be sky high for kind of card...

FoxEye · 18 Jan 2018 at 21:50

ToTheMax said:
Agree, but why can't the manufactures just double/quadruple capacity to meet the demand? It's not as if this trend came out of nowhere, it's been known for years.

They can't meet demand because demand is infinite. There is no point at which miners will be satisfied with the stock they have. They will keep adding more and more cards.

Whilst GPU mining is profitable, no amount of increased production will help one bit.

El_MUERkO · 18 Jan 2018 at 23:23

If you're willing to wait a couple of months and have an old card knocking around then I'd sell your current card to miners the second gibbo allows pre-orders, that's what I'll be doing, the old 6970 will get a workout and hopefully the difference in pricing will be relatively small.

D.P. · 19 Jan 2018 at 07:34

FoxEye said:
They can't meet demand because demand is infinite. There is no point at which miners will be satisfied with the stock they have. They will keep adding more and more cards.

Whilst GPU mining is profitable, no amount of increased production will help one bit.

I expect quadruple supply would help slightly certainly miners will just keep buying at near 4x current sales, maybe 3.5 times. The risk tonNvidia and AMD is what happens if the morning boom suddenly crashes and you have a giant supply of GPUs no one wants and worse still the miners are flogging off cards at ridiculously cheap prices.

And then there is the fact they can't just increase supplies that dramatically. They pruchase a certain number of wafers from TSMc/GF, there is unlikely to be much spare capacity at all. Same with memory.

Jony27 · 22 Jan 2018 at 15:17

El_MUERkO said:
If you're willing to wait a couple of months and have an old card knocking around then I'd sell your current card to miners the second gibbo allows pre-orders, that's what I'll be doing, the old 6970 will get a workout and hopefully the difference in pricing will be relatively small.

Sold my 980ti before christmas as I was going away on a holiday.
Came back to this **** fest of stocks and overpriced 2nd hand market.
Have had to get a 2nd hand 760 for now and hopefully new cards come out in April as that's when the GF will be off to America and hopefully save a few £s.

Telecaster · 22 Jan 2018 at 17:22

Killer7xx said:
If miners have their way, you won't be seeing any real availability. Volta is a killer when it comes to GPU mining.
https://hothardware.com/news/nvidia-titan-v-volta-ethereum

Unless Nvidia gimps them, these will be snapped up in seconds after someone reveals their hashrates with the most common cryptocurrencies.

What has mining on a Titan V got anything to do with the next tranche of gaming GPUs? TV is on HBM2, next gen of gaming cards is likely to be GDDR5X or GDDR6. We have no idea how Pascal replacement will mine.

Killer7xx · 22 Jan 2018 at 18:34

Telecaster said:
What has mining on a Titan V got anything to do with the next tranche of gaming GPUs? TV is on HBM2, next gen of gaming cards is likely to be GDDR5X or GDDR6. We have no idea how Pascal replacement will mine.

Volta is more heavily optimised for compute than Pascal, it has features such as true async compute which allows better utilisation of cores. I'm quite sure that when Volta releases, AMD will no longer be the vendor of choice for miners.

Telecaster · 22 Jan 2018 at 18:43

Killer7xx said:
Volta is more heavily optimised for compute than Pascal, it has features such as true async compute which allows better utilisation of cores. I'm quite sure that when Volta releases, AMD will no longer be the vendor of choice for miners.

Have a I missed a thread where Volta has been confirmed as the next gaming GPU?

AMd aren't the vendor of choice now, so that won't be difficult.

JediFragger · 22 Jan 2018 at 21:03

Telecaster said:
Have a I missed a thread where Volta has been confirmed as the next gaming GPU?

nVidia have confirmed Ampere will be the basis for consumer cards.

Telecaster · 22 Jan 2018 at 21:22

Killer7xx said:
Volta is more heavily optimised for compute than Pascal, it has features such as true async compute which allows better utilisation of cores. I'm quite sure that when Volta releases, AMD will no longer be the vendor of choice for miners.

JediFragger said:
nVidia have confirmed Ampere will be the basis for consumer cards.

Seems some people aren't aware and using the Titan V as some sort of forerunner for the next gaming card.

JediFragger · 22 Jan 2018 at 21:31

Telecaster said:
Seems some people aren't aware and using the Titan V as some sort of forerunner for the next gaming card.

I think we've just been expecting Volta for so long that it's just hammered into people's heads

Telecaster · 22 Jan 2018 at 21:32

Furry muff.

HRL · 23 Jan 2018 at 11:06

Think I’ll put in a pre-order for a 2### card as soon as they’re announced. Only way to get in before the miners by the sounds of it.

Killer7xx · 23 Jan 2018 at 12:03

Telecaster said:
Seems some people aren't aware and using the Titan V as some sort of forerunner for the next gaming card.

By all means, Ampere will just be Volta with tensor cores stripped out. Tensor cores are not even of any use for mining and they are not the reason why the Titan V excels.

Volta has true hardware async compute just like GCN and with the amount of CUDA cores that the Titan V has, it brings a great deal more efficiency. Pascal has a problem with core scaling where performance gains diminish as you reach higher core counts due to no async compute. Couple this with fast memory like GDDR6 or HBM2 and you have insane performance in mining.

BS Dave · 23 Jan 2018 at 13:00

Killer7xx said:
Volta has true hardware async compute just like GCN.

Got a link that proves that? I mean in a game, ideally with benchmarks