I don't think they are going to throw everything away with Navi and start all over again with a completely new architecture - I suspect first version of Navi will be largely shrunk Vega with some architectural changes to lay the ground work for a further revision towards more scalable architectures (both processing and storage wise) in the future.
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NVIDIA Volta with GDDR6 in early 2018?
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I don't think they are going to throw everything away with Navi and start all over again with a completely new architecture - I suspect first version of Navi will be largely shrunk Vega with some architectural changes to lay the ground work for a further revision towards more scalable architectures (both processing and storage wise) in the future.
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It's an out of the gate flop due to stock and the new prices, It's also due to the drivers which are a mess, I imagine we'll see big improvements from now to January but will we see much of an improvement in older titles where it's particularly bad?
Maybe but everyone keeps going on about it being Raja's architecture unlike Vega so in the one hand we're told Navi will be the return to form and in the other talk of it being Vega architecture still so which it is is anyone's guess. All I can take from this is to never wait on AMD again which is a shame as the Fiji experience was a very good one bar the 4gb memory limit. So far the Vega experience stinks.
Maybe but everyone keeps going on about it being Raja's architecture unlike Vega so in the one hand we're told Navi will be the return to form and in the other talk of it being Vega architecture still so which it is is anyone's guess. All I can take from this is to never wait on AMD again which is a shame as the Fiji experience was a very good one bar the 4gb memory limit. So far the Vega experience stinks.
There is nothing that wrong with the architecture in itself - some bits needed updating and moving from discrete blocks to an approach more like nVidia* which they've started to do with Vega - there are a lot of great strengths to the architecture let down somewhat by going too wide (which seems to be a kind of locked in mindset at AMD) causing issues fully utilising the capabilities and penalising its frequency scaling capabilities which means you penalise the throughput on some of the stuff that is (A) implemented as discrete blocks (B) will only ever be a highly serialised process and the somewhat lets say less than optimal process at GF for GPUs (which I'm guessing they've started to realise given they've paid a lot of money to add flexibility to the contract so as to be able to use other foundries and will also still have to pay a per-wafer fee to GF for production elsewhere - not to say that means they will go elsewhere but they are certainly hedging their bets against GF's 7nm process).
* Which might be part of the issues with Vega as this will relatively new ground.
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I get what your saying and it'll be interesting to see how the Vega cards line up against the Pascal's in titles such as Wolfenstein 2 as it's dev's seem to be using several of Vega's supposed strength's, It'll also be interesting to see whether the same type of tech's are implemented into Volta. We keep hearing how Pascal's still not all it could be for DX12 but so far it doesn't seem to have an problems with it and it makes me wonder how long it'll be until they really need to change things. We could end up with another Intel situation where Nvidia are sitting pretty to the point where they don't innovate much but then get caught with there pant's down. Scary thought innit? I wish Nvidia would support freesync.
I can't see nVidia slowing down in the medium to long term future - they've been pushing ahead with some relatively ground breaking stuff and have a roadmap to new architectures - after that it is anyone's guess.
Unless something like a key individual leaves or shareholders or the like start to feel the squeeze and put pressure on to maximise profits, etc. I can't see AMD catching them from that perspective in the next 5 years at least.
Unless something like a key individual leaves or shareholders or the like start to feel the squeeze and put pressure on to maximise profits, etc. I can't see AMD catching them from that perspective in the next 5 years at least.
Intel did it. Its just what happens when the competition falls behind. But when amd came back right on the heels on intel offering more cores and threads for less money it caught intel with thier pants down brcause they stopped trying to move forward. I can see nvidia doing the same and even jenson hinted at doing so. Well a strong hint tbh. They can make more money off pascal while making sure they have plenty of stock of volta availible so we dont have another round of stock shortage.
Where did he say that? He didn't mention anything about slowing down, just that Volta Gaming won't come this year. That's just inside their standard release shedules. Just have a look at the timeframes of earlier generations.
Fermi-> Kepler 24 Months
Kepler-> Maxwell 21 Months to Maxwell1, 29 Months to Maxwell 2
Maxwell2-> Pascal 20 Months
Pascal-> Volta 20-22Months with a Q1 release.
Probably they'll even need to push forward the Volta successor, as they won't sit idle when AMD moves on 7nm.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp..._not_be_releasing_to_consumers_anytime_soon/1
There you go. Jenson says otherwise and he's the CEO mate. He said this to investors.
That to me just reads that they don't want to impact 10 series sales this side of Christmas, not that they're going to alter their plans long term.
As already pointed out, when Intel sat on their behinds AMD caught them up. It's not in Nvidia's interest to do the same. They have an advantage, exploit it, don't allow the competition time to gain ground.
As already pointed out, when Intel sat on their behinds AMD caught them up. It's not in Nvidia's interest to do the same. They have an advantage, exploit it, don't allow the competition time to gain ground.
Agreed. In tech terms what he said sounds to me like do not expect it this year. I am still expecting it in Q1, worst case Q2. But I am hoping Q1.
They will want to sell as many Volta as they can before Navi, just like they have with Pascal.
Yep, my thoughts too. Personally, it can't come soon enough. I'd hoped Vega would be for me but it's just not enough, and I'd need to upgrade my PSU too.
I'll wait it out for Volta instead as I can't justify a 1080Ti purchase. Too rich for me, although I could buy one today if the price didn't put me off. Maybe Volta will be even more costly but I'm prepared to wait and find out.
I'll wait it out for Volta instead as I can't justify a 1080Ti purchase. Too rich for me, although I could buy one today if the price didn't put me off. Maybe Volta will be even more costly but I'm prepared to wait and find out.
Now according to Nvidia's CEO, Jen-Hsun Huang, the company does not plan to release Volta this "holiday season" or "for the foreseeable future" as they see their Pascal Architecture at this time as "unbeatable".
"Volta for gaming, we haven't announced anything. And all I can say is that our pipeline is filled with some exciting new toys for the gamers, and we have some really exciting new technology to offer them in the pipeline.
But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future, I think Pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best thing out there. And everybody who's looking forward to playing Call of Duty or Destiny 2, if they don't already have one, should run out and get themselves a Pascal."
So no announcement of Volta but they have some other stuff in the pipeline for gamers "new toys". That sounds like a pascal refresh to me.
But for the holiday season (xmas), for the foreseeable future (Next year) Pascal is just unbeatable.
When is AMD going to release something new that will beat pascal? Yep make of it as you will but to me that sounds like they are edging staying with pascal a bit longer.
"Volta for gaming, we haven't announced anything. And all I can say is that our pipeline is filled with some exciting new toys for the gamers, and we have some really exciting new technology to offer them in the pipeline.
But for the holiday season for the foreseeable future, I think Pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best thing out there. And everybody who's looking forward to playing Call of Duty or Destiny 2, if they don't already have one, should run out and get themselves a Pascal."
So no announcement of Volta but they have some other stuff in the pipeline for gamers "new toys". That sounds like a pascal refresh to me.
But for the holiday season (xmas), for the foreseeable future (Next year) Pascal is just unbeatable.
When is AMD going to release something new that will beat pascal? Yep make of it as you will but to me that sounds like they are edging staying with pascal a bit longer.
Unlike most previous architectures Volta wasn't really envisioned as a gaming architecture - a lot of focus went into things like the tensor cores and deep learning stuff in general plus suitability to super computer use. It is still a bit of a wildcard to me if we will see Volta on GeForce and/or what incarnation we will see replace the current Pascal arch.
You shouldn't underestimate the changes for gaming just because at the moment they only announced compute stuff. And even this stuff seems pretty significant for gaming. Many devs are pretty enthusiastic about the new cache architecture because it makes programming a lot easier.
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From that it sounds like consumer Volta is sitting on a shelf in an Nvidia warehouse somewhere, It reminds me of the 780ti which was ready to go but delayed because there was no need to release it, Not until AMD finally got some competition out ie: Hawaii.
No matter what's claimed I really don't want to spend big bucks on a pascal card that's already earmarked for replacement.
How are you getting that from what Jenson said? I'm not. i must be not seeing it.
"Volta for GAMING, we havn't announced anything"
So okay you haven't announced when this is happening for gaming.
"All i can say is that our pipeline if filled with some exciting new toys for gamers, and we have some really exciting new tech to offer them in the pipeline"
This refers to something else other than volta following on from what he said.
"But for the holiday season, for the foreseeable future. I think pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best out there"
So this following on from what jensen said says to me is jenson saying he cant see anything beating pascal for the holiday season or foreseeable future as in next year.
It looks and sounds to me that pascal is sticking around some what longer.
Nothing here suggests to me he is releasing Volta soon or sooner than expected. I just dont see it.
"Volta for GAMING, we havn't announced anything"
So okay you haven't announced when this is happening for gaming.
"All i can say is that our pipeline if filled with some exciting new toys for gamers, and we have some really exciting new tech to offer them in the pipeline"
This refers to something else other than volta following on from what he said.
"But for the holiday season, for the foreseeable future. I think pascal is just unbeatable. It's just the best out there"
So this following on from what jensen said says to me is jenson saying he cant see anything beating pascal for the holiday season or foreseeable future as in next year.
It looks and sounds to me that pascal is sticking around some what longer.
Nothing here suggests to me he is releasing Volta soon or sooner than expected. I just dont see it.
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If Volta was already done and dusted for gaming cards I can't see Nvidia just leaving it on the shelf! 
They would simply tail off production of Pascal cards to run down inventory and start building up Volta inventory. Having said that,they might not want to do that during Christmas as that would be a good period for sales,surely??
TBH,if you look at the cadence from GTX680 to GTX980 and GTX980 to GTX1080,it was around 28 months and 20 months respectively.
The GTX1080 was launched in May 2016,so a 20 month cadence would give you January 2018,and a 28 month cadence,would give you September 2018.
If you look at Nvidia card launches - they seem to generally either following a Q2 or Q3 launch period - so either March~ May or roughly around September(looking at the GTX480,GTX580,GTX680,GTX780,GTX980 and GTX1080 launches).
Having said that apart from mixed precision,do we know what a gaming Volta GPU will have over Pascal yet??
They would simply tail off production of Pascal cards to run down inventory and start building up Volta inventory. Having said that,they might not want to do that during Christmas as that would be a good period for sales,surely??
TBH,if you look at the cadence from GTX680 to GTX980 and GTX980 to GTX1080,it was around 28 months and 20 months respectively.
The GTX1080 was launched in May 2016,so a 20 month cadence would give you January 2018,and a 28 month cadence,would give you September 2018.
If you look at Nvidia card launches - they seem to generally either following a Q2 or Q3 launch period - so either March~ May or roughly around September(looking at the GTX480,GTX580,GTX680,GTX780,GTX980 and GTX1080 launches).
Having said that apart from mixed precision,do we know what a gaming Volta GPU will have over Pascal yet??