Obesity is not a choice

[dowie]

Pretty much the same thing, in this case.

No, it isn't.

As you don't seem to follow why that is the case I'll give an example - Say someone claims they took a homeopathic remedy and it caused their cancer to go into remission I'd say that is likely complete BS. I'm not saying they're lying though, they might truly believe that the homeopathic remedy was the cause, it is the assertion they're making that is BS.

Similarly your assertion earlier about consuming only 750 calories per day for just over a month without a noticeable difference is also BS, I've not said you're a liar though and even even explained that in a post previously.

 

[krooton]

I dunno , bmr is hard to track as there’s quite a few variables , a muscly guy with 30% body fat will most likely have a higher bmr than ‘skinny fat’ guy with 30% fat , but the skinny fat guy may lead a very active lifestyle or have a physically demanding job so could end up requiring more calories

Ummmm, BMR is BASE metabolic rate, what your body burns just by existing, no other external factors.

You are correct that a 70kg guy with 10% body fat will have a higher BMR than a 70kg with 30% body fat, as muscles burn more calories by just existing.

OK, so how do these numbers compare?
BMI - 16.3
Body fat - 11%
BMR - 1294

Those are just values from internet calculators where you plug in height and weight and some measurements, but that's what I'm currently at.

Do you remember what you were when you started the 750cal/day month? Because even at your current BMR that would be a daily calorie deficit of 550, or roughly a loss of 1lb per week.

 

[FoxEye]

I prefer starvation, TBH.
But most of the time I've gotten too hungry to give a ****, and if I have to sit down and **** around calculating out every calorie for every gram of every element of every meal that's just more stress and faff that will end up with me losing patience with it and killing people.

It's simpler but it requires a lot more willpower.

If I may ask, how come you got to the point where you needed to lose weight by dieting... and more importantly, how did you keep getting back to that point after losing it?

My willpower is not a constant.

I eat through boredom, but when I do I reach for something that's ready made, rather than invest time into making something actually nice. Double whammy.

In months when I'm incredibly busy/preoccupied (with something), I snack more and eat much less healthily.

So my weight fluctuates. It goes up until I get annoyed with myself, then I work on shedding it. Then I get distracted/obsessed with something and I stop watching my diet, and put the weight back on.

Consistency has never been one of my strong suits.

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[JBuk]

Ummmm, BMR is BASE metabolic rate, what your body burns just by existing, no other external factors.

You are correct that a 70kg guy with 10% body fat will have a higher BMR than a 70kg with 30% body fat, as muscles burn more calories by just existing.



Do you remember what you were when you started the 750cal/day month? Because even at your current BMR that would be a daily calorie deficit of 550, or roughly a loss of 1lb per week.

You’re correct, I should have differentiated the 2nd sentence as I was meaning their daily calorific needs may be totally different due to activity

 

[krooton]

Not for BMR, no. The calculators seem to rely on weight and I didn't pay that any attention, given the waistline.
My current BMR is post starvation and a bit closer to fitting the clothes I used to wear. Still got a few inches to lose, though.

Do you recall the starting waist measurement? Thing is, if you were generally slim, but with a beer boep, then visible weight loss would be more difficult to see as the body doesn't "target" areas, it just burns how it burns to make up the deficit, and that is different for everyone.

 

[krooton]

You’re correct, I should have differentiated the 2nd sentence as I was meaning their daily calorific needs may be totally different due to activity

Yeah, I'm only basing everything on BMR as ttaskmaster said he leads a sedentry lifestyle, so it's an easy comparison for the calorie deficit effects.

 

[FoxEye]

We also grew up poor, so it was a heavily punished sin to waste food in those days - You ate it all. There was no 'or else'!!

We were the same and still are today. It's a good thing, I think. You should see us clean out saucepans and bowls with a bit of bread

I really don't understand people who consistently make/serve up more food than they want to eat, to the point where it becomes normal to leave 1/3 or more of it, which then gets scraped into the garbage.

What's terrible is that people don't think it's a big deal, and don't even give it any thought when they do it.

 

[dowie]

Closer to two months, actually.
But that is what I did and my waist measurement did stay at a solid 34" all the way throughout. If there was any loss, it was in small fractions of an inch (ie less than ¼) and so not noticable.
How does that equates to an accusation of blatant pure BS in your mind?

Did you bother to weight yourself at any point while trying such a strict diet over that time period?

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[dowie]

Nope.

So that is another problem/source of error... sticking a tape measure around yourself is going to have a fair bit of error to it and that + just some subjective perceptions/some reliance on possibly faulty memories of what you looked like exactly a month prior etc.. leading to a belief that nothing has changed is the basis for your claim! You didn't even weigh yourself (some margin of error in that too but you can try doing it at the same time each day etc..

Like I said, I didn't claim you lied, you might well believe that there was no noticeable difference but that doesn't mean there actually wasn't.

 

[JBuk]

It's simpler but it requires a lot more willpower.


My willpower is not a constant.

I eat through boredom, but when I do I reach for something that's ready made, rather than invest time into making something actually nice. Double whammy.

In months when I'm incredibly busy/preoccupied (with something), I snack more and eat much less healthily.

So my weight fluctuates. It goes up until I get annoyed with myself, then I work on shedding it. Then I get distracted/obsessed with something and I stop watching my diet, and put the weight back on.

Consistency has never been one of my strong suits.

That sounds just like me

I have found though the best and most sustainable short-mid term method is to cut out nearly all sugar and carbs, eat a decent amount of meat/fish , veg and things such as cheese and Greek yoghurt , keep the calories well below your daily needs and do intermittent fasting, I eat during a 6 to 8hr period then fast for the remaining hours, sounds tough but is essentially skipping supper and breakfast, only drink water when fasting, I also do a 24-36hr fast every so often

After the first 2 weeks I have found my appetite is reduced and I no longer crave sugar, this in turn stops me eating junk for the sake of it

Once those 2 weeks are up then have a few carbs and sugary treats but do not pig out - keep this up for a month or two and then gradually start eating carbs once a week but keep watching those calories, once at your desired weight then gradually increase the calories and start eating carbs more often if desired but do not eat more food than you need, carbs can easily add hundreds of calories so you have to be very mindful of the amounts you eat.

What I find this all does is it trains me to eat for energy and not just because I’m bored etc as I no longer crave for food, this in turn helps me to sustain this way of eating for the long term as I never feel like pigging out.

I’m currently eating 2 meals a day , both fresh meat/fish with things such avocado/ broccoli / cauliflower (with cheese sometimes) / eggs / asparagus / Greek or natural yoghurt / nuts / pate

I sometimes don’t even have carb laden food at all now on my ‘treat’ day as I don’t desire them, I will have them however if I know I will be doing anything physically demanding such as fell walking

I know this sounds like a keto diet but I do not balance out my fats/proteins/carbs , I simply only eat the amount of calories that I need daily or less if I want to lose more weight

I can also easily control my weight if for example I go out for the night , drink a fair few pints and have a takeaway then I simply eat a bit less over the next few days

 

[JBuk]

We were the same and still are today. It's a good thing, I think. You should see us clean out saucepans and bowls with a bit of bread

I really don't understand people who consistently make/serve up more food than they want to eat, to the point where it becomes normal to leave 1/3 or more of it, which then gets scraped into the garbage.

What's terrible is that people don't think it's a big deal, and don't even give it any thought when they do it.

Although I wasn’t brought up like that I really hate food wastage too and I would often find myself binge eating anything that was nearing its use by date

One of the benefits of my diet as described above is that I know what amount of food I need and rarely cook too much, I’m buying less food but the things I do buy tend to cost more than junk food ,the offset still saves me a little bit of money

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[R.P.L]

Part of losing fat is making the body burn that fat off in order to maintain muscle mass.

Eh?

 

[JBuk]

Eh?

What he means is when losing weight you want to lose fat but try to maintain muscle mass as much as possible

 

[R.P.L]

What he means is when losing weight you want to lose fat but try to maintain muscle mass as much as possible

Thanks. We already established earlier in the thread that apparently ttaskmaster and I speak a different language.

EDIT: Obviously that wouldn't mean maintaining the same weight, unless you were actually gaining muscle.

 

[dowie]

Thanks. We already established earlier in the thread that apparently ttaskmaster and I speak a different language.

EDIT: Obviously that wouldn't mean maintaining the same weight, unless you were actually gaining muscle.

Exactly - he's either been rather disingenuous here or he's shifting the goal posts a bit - this the post where I first took issue with his claims:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/33044847/

He quotes various people taking about weight loss, then makes his own claim:

What it doesn't boil down to is, "It's not possible because x, y, z". Or, "There's a reason beyond my control that I can't lose weight".

I'd say it does include "There's a reason that isn't apparent", though. People, especially here, just insist you need to stop intaking calories and that will lose you weight... simple as, magic wand, job done.
Well what Chrcoluk didn't mention is that when you drop your calorie intake, as well as metabolism slowing, your body also starts restricting the amount of exercise you can manage - You get hangry, you begin to crash, you sleep more, you have less motivation, your mental functions slow, your physical performance drops, and several other things in order to conserve that energy store. That results in a much lower rate of weight loss so for weeks it will seem as if they're not losing anything, by which time most people will have concluded that the diet doesn't work and have given up on it.

I didn't eat (except for 40g protein in a shake each day with no carbs) for a week to see what happened lost about 3lb iirc.

I spent over a month, during which I ate no more than 350kcal and drank between 300 and 400kcal, and lost nothing.
I had to drop the food to 115kcal and the coffee to 250 before I started experiencing any loss, and even then it took almost 3 weeks before anything was noticable.
But of course the odds are I'm just lying...

Did you bother to weight yourself at any point while trying such a strict diet over that time period?

Nope.

That about sums it up - I pointed out his claim that he lost nothing after no more than 750 calories a day for over a month was likely BS, he seems to think I'm calling him a liar when I explained that he might just be mistaken etc.. and in actual fact it turned out he doesn't even know if the claim is true himself as he didn't bother to weigh himself.

A calorie deficit will cause you to lose weight, that's just reality, no one is magically immune from the laws of the universe.

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[dowie]

Yawn...
I have at no point mentioned my own weight loss. I never made any claims toward that. You've done everything but used the actual word 'liar', though you might as well have..

I didn't eat (except for 40g protein in a shake each day with no carbs) for a week to see what happened lost about 3lb iirc.

I spent over a month, during which I ate no more than 350kcal and drank between 300 and 400kcal, and lost nothing.

Tefal "lost 3lb"

in reply

you "lost nothing"

Are you going to now claim that you meant something other than weight loss after literally quoting other posters talking about weight loss? What were you referring to?

You're being disingenuous or are moving goalposts here.