Obesity

It's not the children's fault for not being able to say no, that's the parents fault for saying yes.

Assigning the blame is the exact issue, people do not simply want to take accountability for their actions.

Whether an adult or their child is overweight, there is only one person at fault - the adult.

I was on school run the other day and the one mum said to me that her daughter had a cupcake for breakfast because she didn't want anything else. No surprises that the mum is definitely in this obese category and I'm sure her daughter isn't far behind.

This, everyone just cracks straight away and does not say no....you can say no and not be a bad parent.....

Unless mine eat their vegetables they get no puddings...that's it and they know....

None of this I'm full but not for pudding....
 
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This thread is pretty crazy if you take the posts on keto as gospel. Makes it sound like it's the magic diet and any other diet that even includes fruits and vegetables means you're contributing to things like fatty liver etc. Meanwhile keto has only positives with no negatives?

I just think it would be a lot more common in things like sports if it was really that efficient and effective. It's been known about for decades now, and there are a lot of studies on it.

Completely understand people doing it for diabetes etc but it’s by no means a cure all for obesity.
 
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I'm sorry you went through such a hard time. A lot of people suffer mental health issues for a multitude of reasons. However you didn't wake up overweight overnight.

But... Credit to you you've done something about it. Body positivity is dangerous, we shouldn't be celebrating unhealthy lifestyles.

Genetic conditions are rare/minority and an excuse people use.

Regardless of what you call it some personal accountability is needed nonetheless. Sometimes hard truths are hard to hear.

No, youre right, I didn't, but then I also couldn't understand the chemical processes going on in my body and how to alleviate the symptoms because no doctor ever explained them to me, they just kept telling me to stop eating junk food, eat less, move more, eat "healthy" carbs.
What I've discovered is that for ME there is no such thing as a healthy carb, taking dope makes me want crack. Even on keto I would find it hard to say no to junk food that was being brought in to the house. Within a week of going carnivore all my cravings were gone and someone literally waved deep fried bananas in my face and I just said "no thanks".

I agree that we shouldn't be celebrating unhealthy lifestyles, but I'm just saying that for people who haven't been given a viable alternative its there as a defence mechanism because "society" are being pretty vile to those people.

For people that don't get unconquerable cravings then I obviously understand how they would struggle with this concept, in the same way that I've never had alcoholism and used to think "just drink less, its not hard, I don't drink every day".

This thread is pretty crazy if you take the posts on keto as gospel. Makes it sound like it's the magic diet and any other diet that even includes fruits and vegetables means you're contributing to things like fatty liver etc. Meanwhile keto has only positives with no negatives?

I just think it would be a lot more common in things like sports if it was really that efficient and effective. It's been known about for decades now, and there are a lot of studies on it.

No, no one is saying keto is magic with zero downsides, it does still take discipline, its just that the whole insulin, leptin, ghrelin cycle sets you up to fail on a carby diet, alleviating those symptoms HELPS, but it isn't a complete cure all instantly. There is nuance that you need to understand.
For me, the main benefits have come from going almost completely carnivore, I retained most of my healthy issues with keto.
90% of nutrition science is funded by big food companies, "the data" overwhelmingly supports the current system because its 90% paid for by that same system who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

There's no money for studies on low carb, hence no studies on low carb (or very few).

There is data available if you choose to search for it because of how many people are doing n=1 experiments and self publishing. When I looked at it and then tested myself, my findings on me match up with those, but thats the only way I've been able to "prove" anything to myself. Everyone is free to ignore it and put their health in the hands of "health professionals" though, its up to them, the stats don't suggest this is on the path to working out for most people though.
 
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No, youre right, I didn't, but then I also couldn't understand the chemical processes going on in my body and how to alleviate the symptoms because no doctor ever explained them to me, they just kept telling me to stop eating junk food, eat less, move more, eat "healthy" carbs.
What I've discovered is that for ME there is no such thing as a healthy carb, taking dope makes me want crack. Even on keto I would find it hard to say no to junk food that was being brought in to the house. Within a week of going carnivore all my cravings were gone and someone literally waved deep fried bananas in my face and I just said "no thanks".

I agree that we shouldn't be celebrating unhealthy lifestyles, but I'm just saying that for people who haven't been given a viable alternative its there as a defence mechanism because "society" are being pretty vile to those people.

For people that don't get unconquerable cravings then I obviously understand how they would struggle with this concept, in the same way that I've never had alcoholism and used to think "just drink less, its not hard, I don't drink every day".



No, no one is saying keto is magic with zero downsides, it does still take discipline, its just that the whole insulin, leptin, ghrelin cycle sets you up to fail on a carby diet, alleviating those symptoms HELPS, but it isn't a complete cure all instantly. There is nuance that you need to understand.
For me, the main benefits have come from going almost completely carnivore, I retained most of my healthy issues with keto.
90% of nutrition science is funded by big food companies, "the data" overwhelmingly supports the current system because its 90% paid for by that same system who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

So carnivore is the panacea? If it's not magic, you certainly haven't presented many, if any, negatives. I'm not talking about the discipline it takes, I'm talking about the effects on the body and you telling people that modern fruit is essentially worthless and leads to fatty liver.

While studies on other diets obviously outnumber low and no carb ones, there is still plenty of data from the studies that have been done. I’ve seen lots of people interpreting the results from those studies entirely incorrectly as well. The likes of Chris Kresser who appeared on Joe Rogan, absolute grifter who had pretty much 90% of what he said torn apart by people who actually know how to read the results from studies.

There’s money being made at both ends of the scale. Obviously the impact from the mega food corporations is bigger, though there are still a tonne of grifters at the other end of the scale trying to sell books etc on things like carnivore. Many of those books spreading misinformation from wildly inaccurate takes on the studies they’ve looked at.
 
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So carnivore is the panacea? If it's not magic, you certainly haven't presented many, if any, negatives. I'm not talking about the discipline it takes, I'm talking about the effects on the body and you telling people that modern fruit is essentially worthless and leads to fatty liver.

While studies on other diets obviously outnumber low and no carb ones, there is still plenty of data from the studies that have been done. I’ve seen lots of people interpreting the results from those studies entirely incorrectly as well. The likes of Chris Kresser who appeared on Joe Rogan, absolute grifter who had pretty much 90% of what he said torn apart by people who actually know how to read the results from studies.

Carnivore is what has worked best for me. Other people have suggested what they found as negatives but to me I don't see them as negatives, the positives far outweigh the negatives, again... For Me.
There was definitely a transition period and I did have problems, but I've researched and found workarounds and solutions. I'm by no means suggesting that there are zero negatives, just like everything in life there are ochoices and balances.

I was very skeptical of the results other people were having and was genuinely surprised with my results, however I was so desperate I was willing to try anything. Thats how I've ended up here and after 8 months I can't see me changing unless I discover things change for the negative. I am willing to be proven wrong. All I can say at this point is "I've done this and its had these effects", no one need believe me though, thats up to them.

And yes, in all realms of health and fitness there are grifters and people who get things wrong.

Paul Saladino was a "carnivore" advocate, however he thought you needed to eat liver every day and got invested in a company making liver extract pills and was eating real liver plus taking liver suplements. He most likely had copper poisoning, he found that by adding carbs back in in the form of fruit and honey he resolved the issues he was having so now he advocates that, he also exercises like 6 hours per day, so I'm not sure how well his results translate to other people.
 
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This, everyone just cracks straight away and does not say no....you can say no and not be a bad parent.....

Unless mine eat their vegetables they get no puddings...that's it and they know....

None of this I'm full but not for pudding....
Same stance in my household too, sure to be some stroppy adults in the future when they grow up to be told no.
 
Keto/carnivore takes serious discipline and commitment, so trying to make it the cure for the obesity epidemic isn't going to work, people are obese because they have no discipline, and a billion people are not going to stick with it.
There's now the same militancy around carnivore as there is around veganism.
 
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Sumo wrestlers probably do

Could you stop with the caveat posts please lol, Rugby players, people with medical conditions, Sumo wrestlers.

We are not talking about people in the outer fringes, we are talking about general public. You don’t need to find a caveat with every post on 0.000001% of the world population.

And no, don’t need to work out the percentage of sumo wrestlers vs population. I plucked that number out of thin air, but it sure isn’t a large one.
 
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Could you stop with the caveat posts please lol, Rugby players, people with medical conditions, Sumo wrestlers.

We are not talking about people in the outer fringes, we are talking about general public. You don’t need to find a caveat with every post on 0.000001% of the world population.

And no, don’t need to work out the percentage of sumo wrestlers vs population. I plucked that number out of thin air, but it sure isn’t a large one.
I was just pointing out that some people can, how many times do people go out for a large 3 course meal and finish it ?
I never mentioned rugby players
 
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BMI is a load of nonsense. It’s just weight and height. Majority of rugby players are classed as obese by the BMI but only have 15% body fat.

LOL every time there is a thread about BMI there's always some comment about bodybuilders or rugby players being technically overweight or obese.

That doesn't mean "BMI is a load of nonsense", it just means there are some obvious caveats - if you're particularly muscular (or indeed if you're very tall or very short) then it's a less useful measure for you. For the vast majority of people though it's just cope and if you're overweight or obese according to your BMI then you should probably try and lose some weight.
 
LOL every time there is a thread about BMI there's always some comment about bodybuilders or rugby players being technically overweight or obese.

That doesn't mean "BMI is a load of nonsense", it just means there are some obvious caveats - if you're particularly muscular (or indeed if you're very tall or very short) then it's a less useful measure for you. For the vast majority of people though it's just cope and if you're overweight or obese according to your BMI then you should probably try and lose some weight.
I would say it all depends on where the fat lies, if you where to check my arms or legs there is no fat on them. Yet I'm overweight according to the BMI, to me the only weight I carry extra is on my abdomen, even then there isn't much fat in my skin.
 
I would say it all depends on where the fat lies, if you where to check my arms or legs there is no fat on them. Yet I'm overweight according to the BMI, to me the only weight I carry extra is on my abdomen, even then there isn't much fat in my skin.
Then it might be visceral fat, which is difficult to identify without additional testing but definitely worth checking.
 
It's one of those things a good GP can learn for themselves. Learning should never end with formal training.
We can each learn nutrition and healthy eating for ourselves too,without going on a training course.
Very true, but with a lot of people once school ends that's it for them
 
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