*****OcUK Benchmark Results from ATI HD 69xx Series*****

[rjk]

personally i think 570 sales are irrelevant

as soon as the 570 hit market we all said that it would be a poor seller as the timing was too close to the release of the amd offerings.

looking at these score's makes me wish i had not purchased a second 5870 , should have saved for the 6970

dont feel disheartened

 

[kingy666]

Well, i just ordered a HIS 6950. I lost my job a couple of months ago, xmas is costing a fortune and my savings are going rapidly. But at least i will have a new graphics card to keep me happy just don't tell my GF.

I would just like to take this opportunity to thank my trusty Saphire 4870 1Gb as it has served well over the years.

Also, all you employees of OcUK, GET TO BED!!! you have a busy day ahead of you.

 

[linaaslt]

i just bought his 6970 can't wait till it will arrive now :/

 

[Gibbo]

fair comment gibbo.

But why don't you price them at £250 and let ppl decade? I understand perfectly why, from your business point of view. You got tons of 6970 to get rid of.

My point is that they trade punches and 570GTX does give u CUDA and PHYSX which are a little bit crap but at least worth a solid £10.

As for the early glut in sales? 570GTX was such a low key launch half a people on here dont know that the card even exist. Which is nvidias fault really.

We will price GTX 570 at £250 when were sold them for less, but as it stands the 570 cost us more to buy and we have minimal margins which we follow as we want to stay in business and provide good levels of service.

So when NVIDIA give us money to drop price on 570 we shall do, until then our pricing will be in £260-£300 region on the 570. The 6970 is £278-£320 so based on that NVIDIA dont actually need to drop their price as its cheaper than 6970.

Its all down to if NVIDIA want to win business away from ATI or not.


But what I can say is 570 stock is tight, we have like 60 units in stock, so even if NVIDIA do drop the price, a price drop won't come through until stock is easily available, which right now it is not.

So basically NVIDIA need to get more stock into channel on 570/580 and lots more of it, just doing this alone will bring pricing down on the NV cards as it will stop the supply and demand type pricing.


ATI have already said, their pricing will go up in January, albeit a small amount but going up, so again by the time NVIDIA get good volumes coming through they wont need to drop or move pricing.

 

[Sidney James]

Ok AMD sent them the wrong driver to a reviewer? Yeah?
Please, wake up. The only person that had this magical driver is martini, whos screen shots look dubious at best, and faked at worst.

Just for info "If the 570 was £280 pounds I would buy the 6970 too."

Actually, on the subject of martini's screen shot,did it really show his cpu clock as 4.4??!! on a 1055t!?(I can see he watercools but even so,is this a record?)

 

[Rob43]

Gibbo

I was going to order a 6970 ,but the DPD deliveries have been suspended for scotland. That means my free shipping option has effectivley disappeared

Any chance us loyal forum members from up north can get another free shipping option please



Rob

 

[Skyrocket]

Actually, on the subject of martini's screen shot,did it really show his cpu clock as 4.4??!! on a 1055t!?(I can see he watercools but even so,is this a record?)

His CPU is fast, but I dont think Heaven is too CPU dependent.
That must have been an overclocked card, tweaked LOD drivers or something of that nature. There was also no picture of the card, no mention if it was OC or tweaked. Suspect is the word.
Also as drunkenmaster pointed out Heaven is usless. Show me a real game improvment over the "standard" review issued drivers / packaged drivers and then we can talk.

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I mean a 6970 gets beat by nearly 16% by a 570GTX in AMDs own game the Dirt2. For £30 quid less. Call me stupid but thats not great is it?

1920x1200 AA+AF
Dirt2
15.7% win for 570GTX

 

[Mr Krugga]

Wow, Skyrocket is really a butthurt today, don't know why but that's another guy after Raven who went from pro-ATI to pro-Nvidia. So much win

I'm still undecided between HD6950-GTX480-GTX570-HD6970. I believe that's how the pricing goes atm. Will wait till the official reviews are up in the morning, in the meantime, it's a rest time. Time to compensate for the lack of sleep in the past week.

You guys be gentle here, no need to fight about graphics cards you don't make profit on, lol.

 

[chaotic_uk]

personally i think 570 sales are irrelevant

as soon as the 570 hit market we all said that it would be a poor seller as the timing was too close to the release of the amd offerings.



dont feel disheartened

one of the 6970 beats my scores (5870 cfX) in vantage and 3dm11 . but then again i think my cpu is holding me back . time to go for the i5 quad to replace my phenom II 955BE @3.6 ?

 

[MoodyB]

I mean a 6970 gets beat by nearly 16% by a 570GTX in AMDs own game the Dirt2. For £30 quid less. Call me stupid but thats not great is it?

No. AMD cards have always performed worse than equivalent Nvidia cards in Dirt2 though ( and AvP as well )

The 6970 is quicker in Metro2033, which is NVidia's own game.. 12.3% win at 1920x1200.

And it all depends on which set of benchmarks you look at as well. For the 69xx series cards atm that isn't many, but we'll see tomorrow as more appear.

For example in Dirt 2:

On one site, the 470 beats the 5870 in Dirt 2 by about 12%, whereas on another site, it's the other way round & even a 5850 beats the 470.

On that russian site, the 6970 beats the 570 in Metro, but I'm sure some site will post a set of benches that say the opposite tomorrow.

Swings & roundabouts really...

 

[Mr Krugga]

one of the 6970 beats my scores (5870 cfX) in vantage and 3dm11 . but then again i think my cpu is holding me back . time to go for the i5 quad to replace my phenom II 955BE @3.6 ?

Replace Phenom II X4 with i5 Quad? Are you mad or is benchmarking your part of your job?

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Why do you even bother explaining, he's been all for ATI up until a few days after he got his GTX580, then he was mad at that card and went for SLI 470s.

He's clearly having a bad day. HD6970 beats GTX570, it's good to see the latter cheaper though. I too can not understand the hate these cards get, if it weren't for them, we'd still be paying a lot of money for GTX480s and equivalents.

If Catalyst 10.12s (the proper ones) indeed improve performance by quite a margin (which I believe they do), we shall see HD6970 being on top right there with GTX580 and the prices of the latter going down. Which is only beneficial to consumers.

 

[Skyrocket]

Wow, Skyrocket is really a butthurt today, don't know why but that's another guy after Raven who went from pro-ATI to pro-Nvidia. So much win

I'm still undecided between HD6950-GTX480-GTX570-HD6970. I believe that's how the pricing goes atm. Will wait till the official reviews are up in the morning, in the meantime, it's a rest time. Time to compensate for the lack of sleep in the past week.

You guys be gentle here, no need to fight about graphics cards you don't make profit on, lol.

Dont mistake my impartiality as pro-amd / pro-nvidia.

But I cant shake of the feeling like AMD short changed the enthusiasts this time around by bringing out a sub par HIGH END CARD. That trades blows with a cheaper 570GTX.
Had we been talking about 1920SD 6970 that was 20% quicker than 580gtx and cost 400£ I would have been much happier.

From business point of view? This was a better option, go cheap go small. and let the dual 6990 take the crown. Still cant shake this nagging feeling that 6970 is a tweaked 5870 with bolted on tessellators and 2gb of fast ram........

7.8% increase in Dirt2 on 1920x1200 over 5870.
I guess thats progress for you.

 

[chaotic_uk]

Replace Phenom II X4 with i5 Quad? Are you mad or is benchmarking your part of your job?

even gaming performance seems better on newer intel based systems compaired to amd based systems , why buy one of the fastest gfx cards if the rest of your system will slow it down ? . i found out the hard expensive way

 

[Triggaaar]

For example in Dirt 2:

On one site, the 470 beats the 5870 in Dirt 2 by about 12%, whereas on another site, it's the other way round & even a 5850 beats the 470.

On that russian site, the 6970 beats the 570 in Metro, but I'm sure some site will post a set of benches that say the opposite tomorrow.

Swings & roundabouts really...

That seems less swings & roundabouts, more good reviews and bad reveiws. I imagine there are some problems with that russian review, I think the 6970 only beats the 5870 in Dirt2 by 8% or so. Hopefully some of the trusted review sites will match up with each other a bit better, to give buyers confidence.

 

[Gen.Twinkz]

Just ordered an XFX 6970

 

[Mr Krugga]

Dont mistake my impartiality as pro-amd / pro-nvidia.

But I cant shake of the feeling like AMD short changed the enthusiasts this time around by bringing out a sub par HIGH END CARD. That trades blows with a cheaper 570GTX.
Had we been talking about 1920SD 6970 that was 20% quicker than 580gtx and cost 400£ I would have been much happier.

From business point of view? This was a better option, go cheap go small. and let the dual 6990 take the crown. Still cant shake this nagging feeling that 6970 is a tweaked 5870 with bolted on tessellators and 2gb of fast ram........
I guess thats progress for you.

Isn't it a progress (and a major one) for you? Over 30% improvement in games isn't done by 2GB of RAM that doesn't help anywhere but with AA levels set to max and/or very high resolutions.

Improved tessellation performance is a great extra. It's not only improved but completely redesigned as performance increases are more than doubled.

Nvidia pricing going down is another benefit of having these cards on the market. So many cards depreciating in value as well. If GTX570 was sold for £300 still (and that would be the case if HD6970 wasn't out by now), you would complain about their pricing.

Both HD6800/6900s improved Crossfire scaling to almost ideal levels. HD6990 is going to shine and beat anything out there, including many multi-gpu configurations (if not all SLI/Crossfire but the triple ones).

Everything indicates that 10.12s improve the performance by quite a lot. Let's wait for official and updated reviews, it may be the late ones that will show the true performance of the cards.

 

[Mr Krugga]

even gaming performance seems better on newer intel based systems compaired to amd based systems , why buy one of the fastest gfx cards if the rest of your system will slow it down ? . i found out the hard expensive way

I think having so many people convincing us that there isn't much into it (choosing i5 over Phenom II), it had become common knowledge that there is no performance difference in games. Benchmarks were a true indicator of performance and show the differences clearly. I still don't think that you can talk about any bottlenecks though.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Yeah its adding up that your invalidating the whole review based on drivers that might increase the performance so much it will put it in the class with 580GTX.
A class that BASED on AMD own release slides, its clearly not in.

We can only judge it what its based on now. And based on that and £280 price tag, I myself would have to go with 570GTX if I had to choose for £30 less. But hey, Gibbo is selling them 6970 well so who am I to argue.

6950 on the other hand looks like a gem. Thats a great card. Not 6970. imho

Again, AMD's ENTIRE SLIDES show was leaked on the 22nd November, we've seen them all, then in all the fud in the past few days the one you linked showed up, ON ITS OWN, contrary to previous slides.

its NOT AN AMD SLIDE, its as simple as that, firstly the slides for this release were made before the 570gtx launched and only a short while after the 580gtx launched.

Again LOOK AT THE REVIEW< the numbers don't add up anywhere.

1536 shaders vs 1408 shaders, 880Mhz clock vs 800Mhs clock, and the 6970 is mostly 10-12% ahead(which it should be on clock speed/tmu/rops alone probably), once its 16% ahead it should be quite easily 18% ahead, maybe 20% in most situations.

They are flat out using the 10.11 drivers, others have shown a LARGE increase going from 10.11 to 10.12, theres NOTHING to suggest this is an official review, many aren't, many are, impossible to know which.

Bad reviewers do bad reviews, its life, I know LOTS of reviewers for lots of products often only have a day with the hardware, thats life, simple fact is newer drivers that everyone(except you) says are faster are already available and theres potentially another even better set(i'm not clear, it seems like there is indeed TWO 10.12 with different build numbers and the newer one isn't available on the AMD site yet, this looks like it will be the review driver from the best sites).

You can't simply ignore it however much you want.

So lets be clear, everyone says the new drivers are MUCH better, you don't, fine, the numbers in that review don't reflect what is very likely a different real life story in the numbers.

Other leaked numbers suggest the 6970 AVERAGES 25% faster than the 570gtx, but they don't count because they were done on a newer driver, and not an over month old driver?

 

[Damolee]

Well, the current 10.12s on the AMD site aren't anything to chirp about. About the same as the 10.10e hotfix for everyone who is using them.

So i'm guessing the 10.12a hotfix is the wonder driver?

 

[Jibber55]

Dont mistake my impartiality as pro-amd / pro-nvidia.

But I cant shake of the feeling like AMD short changed the enthusiasts this time around by bringing out a sub par HIGH END CARD. That trades blows with a cheaper 570GTX.
Had we been talking about 1920SD 6970 that was 20% quicker than 580gtx and cost 400£ I would have been much happier.

From business point of view? This was a better option, go cheap go small. and let the dual 6990 take the crown. Still cant shake this nagging feeling that 6970 is a tweaked 5870 with bolted on tessellators and 2gb of fast ram........

7.8% increase in Dirt2 on 1920x1200 over 5870.
I guess thats progress for you.

Willing to select an item of clothing/ body part to eat if your assumtions are incorrect?
Chill out for a few more hrs or you might end up looking more foolish than you do already.