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Nursery fees are ridiculous, as is trying to chop and change days, simply not possible. It means as a household, we are worse off once my mrs goes back to work.

It was the same situation for my wife, but we made the decision to keep her in the workforce for those years as she works in tech and in 5 years (two kids) her skills risked becoming irrelevant if she stays out of it for that long. So she reduced her hours instead, but even that way it took several years after she went back full time to be at the right "place" for her career / skillset.
 
Its worth remembering that the chicken pox vaccine doesn't actually stop them getting it either. It will reduce the symptoms if they do get it, but it's not a guarantee protection.

(Yes, I would vaccinate too - but it's not a get-out-of-jail card).

It stops the majority getting any form (over 80%) and almost 100% from getting severe disease so overall is a pretty solid outcome.
 
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Well having spoken to our GP he said to us it's incredibly rare - so yes you're very lucky. Even the NHS website says it's unusual. However as we've discerned at OcUK we seem to be very different to the rest of the the world ;)

It's actually pretty poorly understood. I meet a few kids whose parents report multiple episodes of chickenpox and have always assumed they're just getting other viral infections being mistake as chicken pox. This discussion prompted me to actually read up on it.

There's very little research on the matter but it does appear their are a few poor responders that don't maintain longterm protective antibodies and do get true repeat episodes. I couldn't find numbers on the actual rate of poor responders in the normal population.
 
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It's actually pretty poorly understood. I meet a few kids whose parents report multiple episodes of chickenpox and have always assumed they're just getting other viral infections being mistake as chicken pox. This discussion prompted me to actually read up on it.

There's very little research on the matter but it does appear their are a few poor responders that don't maintain longterm protective antibodies and do get true repeat episodes. I couldn't find numbers on the actual rate of poor responders in the normal population.

Fair enough - I was just basing it off what I've read. Ultimately everyone responds to this sort of stuff differently, I didn't mean to project my blase attitude, but I'm entitled to it :)
 
Anything to the thought that breast fed children suffer less with chicken pox. Talking to a lady in the office who said as my son was breast fed, that's probably why he hasn't got anything more than the spots, no fever/aches/etc. Something about mothers antibodies being passed on more effectively?
 
Anything to the thought that breast fed children suffer less with chicken pox. Talking to a lady in the office who said as my son was breast fed, that's probably why he hasn't got anything more than the spots, no fever/aches/etc. Something about mothers antibodies being passed on more effectively?

Sounds like a load of guff to me.

I was breastfed and can remember chickenpox being awful. I had it worse out of all my siblings too, annoyingly.
 
Anything to the thought that breast fed children suffer less with chicken pox. Talking to a lady in the office who said as my son was breast fed, that's probably why he hasn't got anything more than the spots, no fever/aches/etc. Something about mothers antibodies being passed on more effectively?

There's a lot of evidence that it helps for reducing allergies and boosting immunity etc... but chickenpox and other similar viruses I don't think can actually be prevented naturally other than a vaccine.
 
Anything to the thought that breast fed children suffer less with chicken pox. Talking to a lady in the office who said as my son was breast fed, that's probably why he hasn't got anything more than the spots, no fever/aches/etc. Something about mothers antibodies being passed on more effectively?
Evidence does shows lower severity of bronchiolitis and winter time D&V bugs when breast fed.

Most kids get chickenpox long after they've stopped breast feeding so I don't there's an effect but haven't seen any evidence.
 
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Anything to the thought that breast fed children suffer less with chicken pox. Talking to a lady in the office who said as my son was breast fed, that's probably why he hasn't got anything more than the spots, no fever/aches/etc. Something about mothers antibodies being passed on more effectively?
ours wasn't breastfeed and he had 1 bad night of sleep during his episode of chickenpox :p
 
Little one has chicken pox or foot and mouth disease.

Joys.





Nursery fees are ridiculous, as is trying to chop and change days, simply not possible. It means as a household, we are worse off once my mrs goes back to work.
My missus does three days a week and it's still 750 a month.

She had better be bloody fluent in 6 languages and have a degree in quantum mechanics by the time she starts school for this money.
 
I have two kids - 7 and 3.

Nursery at £1800 a month for the little man ends in a few months.

I can’t bloody wait - will save a fortune

No wonder people can't afford kids. No way me and my partner could afford that. It's 2x out mortgage!
 
We got a similar email about nursery costs going up. Ours for the next 6 months will be 4.5k a month for 2 kids 5 days a week until the youngest hits 2 then it will be a mere 4k a month. Whilst it makes me weep for the general policy failure that is childcare funding in the uk, their staff earn the money and still aren’t particularly well paid despite being a living wage accredited nursery.

I can see why so many families get trapped with one parent giving up work given childcare costs as we can only justify the costs as both my wife and I have grim but well paying jobs in the city.
 
Few development steps

Started to learn how to do proper temper tantrums ( red face screaming laying down waving arms and legs )when she doesn't get what she wants....pure comedy gold.

Waking up and instead of crying you hear 'uppa, uppa ' to get our attention.

Sitting up all night after waking up, pointing to everything and trying to talk, very cute but so bloody tiresome.




We got a similar email about nursery costs going up. Ours for the next 6 months will be 4.5k a month for 2 kids 5 days a week until the youngest hits 2 then it will be a mere 4k a month. Whilst it makes me weep for the general policy failure that is childcare funding in the uk, their staff earn the money and still aren’t particularly well paid despite being a living wage accredited nursery.

I can see why so many families get trapped with one parent giving up work given childcare costs as we can only justify the costs as both my wife and I have grim but well paying jobs in the city.

Childcare and care for the elderly all cost a bloody fortune and the staff who do the work get paid peanuts.... someone's making a killing.

It's hard if you don't have any family ie grandparents who could do some child minding for a day or two.
 
I think we only had 1 or 2 months when our kids crossed over at nursery. Those 30 free hours make a massive difference. When I did the sums, unless you earn close to minimum wage your still better off working (with 1 child). Obviously depends on other factors but it was irrelevant as neither me or my wife warn that, i think at the tink my wife worked wed, thurs, fri and sat so only had to pay for 3 days which hrlps as well. Think we were paying 55 a day for each child (although they did sibling discount).
 
Nursery fees are ridiculous, as is trying to chop and change days, simply not possible. It means as a household, we are worse off once my mrs goes back to work.

What annoys me is the amount of notice they require for time off. My work is flexible enough that I can get leave approved pretty easy. But if I want to spontaneously take my daughter out of nursery I'm out of pocket unless I give them a month notice.

I understand they need to allocate staff hours but I think they should be flexible if they aren't going to be running excess staff. Should just give a bit of courtesy and say yeah in this instance that's fine to take her off next week.
 
Our problem is that my mrs is cabin crew. Although she’s going in part time, her flights are rostered around 3 weeks in advance. Whilst she can chop and change, that’s limited and it means we can’t book in the days we want (even if available). I’m not even sure if it’s going to work tbh.
 
What annoys me is the amount of notice they require for time off. My work is flexible enough that I can get leave approved pretty easy. But if I want to spontaneously take my daughter out of nursery I'm out of pocket unless I give them a month notice.

I understand they need to allocate staff hours but I think they should be flexible if they aren't going to be running excess staff. Should just give a bit of courtesy and say yeah in this instance that's fine to take her off next week.
Mate that's dreamy. I reserve capacity so pay whether she's there or not, including 2 weeks a year of preplanned closures and all bank holidays.
 
My Mrs does two days of work and three days of childcare. I work from home two days and have been transparent with work that I need to do childcare alongside it. Luckily, work have been incredibly understanding and we've made it work.
 
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