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OcUK RX5800X3D review thread

humbug said:
@Miganto
Its the way Intel pushed the power levels to frankly stupid levels just to get another 2% out of the 12900K, its 80% higher, Its looking like Nvidia are going to be doing the same, at what point is this sort of behaviour going too far, once these components heat up the planet by how much infrared radiation they pump out?
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The good news must surely be that someone can take that 600W or 700W Nvidia card and turn some sliders down and they'll get 90% of the performance at 450W, or maybe even 85% at 300W, or 80% at 200W etc. Undervolting is the future...

... except these cards will be priced for the performance they give when clocked to the max. Mostly because they can, although a card which could cool 600W will require some fancy engineering which does cost.

I already see the AIB marketing for those 700W monsters:
Our new super card card comes with free 1400W PSU [since it uses 700W and burst of 1000W and no normal PSU can cope] and not comes with not one but two GPU support brackets [because it is way too heavier otherwise]. It is a solid and quality piece of kit too [i.e. 5KG+].

So much for higher energy prices finally encouraging efficiency!
 
KompuKare said:
The good news must surely be that someone can take that 600W or 700W Nvidia card and turn some sliders down and they'll get 90% of the performance at 450W, or maybe even 85% at 300W, or 80% at 200W etc. Undervolting is the future...

... except these cards will be priced for the performance they give when clocked to the max. Mostly because they can, although a card which could cool 600W will require some fancy engineering which does cost.

I already see the AIB marketing for those 700W monsters:
Our new super card card comes with free 1400W PSU [since it uses 700W and burst of 1000W and no normal PSU can cope] and not comes with not one but two GPU support brackets [because it is way too heavier otherwise]. It is a solid and quality piece of kit too [i.e. 5KG+].

So much for higher energy prices finally encouraging efficiency!
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I'm really not at all for the state mandating limits but we seem to be in an ever spiralling trend of just consuming more and more power for little gain, we can't go on burning more and more energy, 2% for 80% more power, come on that's taking the....

I think if we had power consumption caps of 150 watts for retail CPU's and 300 watts for retail GPU's, globally, it would encourage a lot more innovation on power efficiency.
 
Just been reading a few reviews, pretty amazed at the performance for power draw of these things. Seems to be yet another fantastic engineering accomplishment. At this point it appears that price/performance is exactly where you would want it to be. Huge performance, low price. What isn't to like?
 
Vince said:
Just been reading a few reviews, pretty amazed at the performance for power draw of these things. Seems to be yet another fantastic engineering accomplishment.
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RE: my post above you.

AMD choice to stick with AM4 for 4 years, and making that promise, has presented them with a serious engineering challenge, that is boosting performance by as much as they have over the years while sticking to the AM4 socket's 142 watt limits, for them innovating on power efficiency has been critical to their success.

Its just an example where an engineering problem innovates a solution. Intel have not had these limitations, with in reason they can push as much power as they like through the LGA socket, once AMD move to the LGA socket they will have lost that engineering challenge, but the thing is with Intel just ramming more and more power through the socket like it literally didn't matter at all AMD cannot remain competitive with these limitations, there is only so much you can do with engineering vs constantly turning the infinity dial on power.
 
Vince said:
Just been reading a few reviews, pretty amazed at the performance for power draw of these things. Seems to be yet another fantastic engineering accomplishment. At this point it appears that price/performance is exactly where you would want it to be. Huge performance, low price. What isn't to like?
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For some, the fact it doesn’t say intel on the box. :p
 
Vince said:
Just been reading a few reviews, pretty amazed at the performance for power draw of these things. Seems to be yet another fantastic engineering accomplishment. At this point it appears that price/performance is exactly where you would want it to be. Huge performance, low price. What isn't to like?
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Vince said:
Ahh but im ignoring that :) Doesn't matter the name on the box this is a real accomplishment and the first of its kind. Super interesting product.
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Gerard said:
For some, the fact it doesn’t say intel on the box. :p
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Ain't that the truth, had a good belly laugh at that. :cry:

I remember when the 12900K came out Dave2150 was tagging me into posts telling me that I should switch for reduced power savings and better performance vs the 5950X in all games.

So glad I didn't do that now as I'd be using a slower, less efficient processor. Not to mention it would have cost me an arm and a leg to get a high end DDR5 kit (more than the cost of the 5800X3D), along with the cost of the CPU and Motherboard. :p
 
Warzone has a 200-250FPS limit at 1080P on current high end processors.

Yeah, that's a thing of the past now with the 5800X3D and the 6900 XTXH at 1080P Competitive Settings. :cry:
 
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humbug said:
I'm really not at all for the state mandating limits but we seem to be in an ever spiralling trend of just consuming more and more power for little gain, we can't go on burning more and more energy, 2% for 80% more power, come on that's taking the....

I think if we had power consumption caps of 150 watts for retail CPU's and 300 watts for retail GPU's, globally, it would encourage a lot more innovation on power efficiency.
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Problem is you only care when its intel doing it. When alderlake was shown to be way more efficient than zen 3 in gaming by the very same review , didnt bother you XD
 
Man this is looking tempting to replace my 3700X which doesn't even feature on review charts (the few I've looked at anyway). Mainly for getting that silky smooth 120+ fps at 1440p alongside my 6800XT so I can go back to having a graphics bottleneck!
 
Bencher said:
Problem is you only care when its intel doing it. When alderlake was shown to be way more efficient than zen 3 in gaming by the very same review , didnt bother you XD
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When its 10 watts it really doesn't bother me, no.

You've been on this forum for about 5 minutes, or have you? i've had as many Intel CPU's as i have had AMD, don't pretend to know me.
 
humbug said:
When its 10 watts it really doesn't bother me, no.

You've been on this forum for about 5 minutes, or have you? i've had as many Intel CPU's as i have had AMD, don't pretend to know me.
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Oh now it's 10 watts? Igorslab found a huge discrepency that was definitely not 10%. But yeah, when it's intel its 10% and it doesn't bother you, gotcha

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/04-720-Wattage.png

Not only does the 5950x consume a LOT more, it also performs a lot worse. But yeah, totally 10%. And totally doesn't bother you.
 
5800x3d is the best troll product from AMD, just when Intel saw the light and AMD in the rearview mirror, AMD put them in darkness again with simple cache implementation :cool:, Intel should work more instead of spitting competition and using cheap tactics on twitter.
 
Bencher said:
Oh now it's 10 watts? Igorslab found a huge discrepency that was definitely not 10%. But yeah, when it's intel its 10% and it doesn't bother you, gotcha

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/04-720-Wattage.png

Not only does the 5950x consume a LOT more, it also performs a lot worse. But yeah, totally 10%. And totally doesn't bother you.
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That's the benefit of the ewaste cores, drawing very little power with lower performance. Really helps games which typically only use a few cores and allows those performance cores to ramp up to a much higher frequency. Clever when you think about it and an interesting new approach.

The 5950X only has high performance cores and in games, most of them are sitting there doing nothing but drawing power. If you look at the 5800X power draw it is much lower and lower than the Intel parts. The 5900x drawing a bit more, but again half of the cores likely not doing too much.

I suspect most of their games tested were lightly threaded which would exacerbate the results seen further.

I actually saw power draw of almost 150W from my 5950X in Warzone. That game will chug 8/16 cores at a reasonable load depending on how you have your config setup. Not seen any other game get close to that kind of power draw with the 5950X.

Gondar said:
5800x3d is the best troll product from AMD, just when Intel saw the light and AMD in the rearview mirror, AMD put them in darkness again with simple cache implementation :cool:, Intel should work more instead of spitting competition and using cheap tactics on twitter.
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That rear view mirror comment was akin to the overclockers dream from Raja. :p
 
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