If you are going to have a rant maybe get all your facts right. The 7900 XTX is generally as good or slightly better than the 4080 in raster (not rasta).
You should go spend £1200 for the RTX 4080, that'll show AMD.
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OcUK RX7900 series review thread
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If you are going to have a rant maybe get all your facts right. The 7900 XTX is generally as good or slightly better than the 4080 in raster (not rasta).
You should go spend £1200 for the RTX 4080, that'll show AMD.
I'd pay the extra for the 4080 but I'd then pay the extra for the 4090, then I'd decide not to upgrade at all and wait the idiots out until they come to their senses. The 7900 XT/XTX are irrelevant and pointless weak products. At £699 and £799 they'd be decent. At their current pricing they are a joke.
Soldato
How about buy neither. That'll show them both.
Or just buy neither and that'll show them both.
Soldato
I think we should make a wall of shame thread on which fools parted their money for a 7900xt/xtx and the 4080.. 
I have bought more AMD cards than Nvidia, don't patronise me over a typo. I'm not buying any mid range cards for £1000. You need to sit down in a dark room and do some breath work if you think 7900XTX being as good at raster but not nearly as good as 4080 at RT is somehow good for 10% less in price.
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Well I was hoping the 7900XTX would be a little more decisive one way or the other.
I've been out of the game for a bit, in part due to the supply issues last gen, so looking to buy a whole new PC. I was originally going to get a 4080, but then found out these were going to launch in 2 weeks (this was 2 weeks ago, obviously) so I waited. I was hoping they'd either fall short and make the 4080 seem like the card to go for or blow it away and the 7900XTX would be the card for me, but here we are.
The 7900XTX is probably just a little better than the 4080 and I appreciate that AMD driver improvements usually pull a little more performance out of the lifecycle of the card (compared to Nvidia), but I don't see thisd entirely as a positive. It feels like they're just optimising poorly at release and I have to wait for the performance to come rather than getting it at the start. But in theory the 7900XTX will only get better over time.
However on the downside, the price gap isn't what we'd (naively) hoped and I imagine the 3rd party designs/coolers will only be more expensive, closing the price gap even more. On top of that there's another wait for the release of these cards (Gibbo, any idea when this will be and what stock levels will be like?). Since this won't be a small upgrade for me, I'm getting impatient as it is. The reference coolers, like all reference coolers, don't really wow me and they seem to be the minimum solution that's up to the task (only the Fury X and Vega 64LC reference coolers really impressed me). The reviews I've seen suggest the contact with the dies isn't ideal, the cooling isn't as good as the 3rd party coolers (on Nvidia cards) and they're a little louder than people would like (which has shocked me for an AMD reference cooler, never heard of that before).
I'm actually at the point where I'm considering one of the cheaper 4090s as while it's more expensive and not good value at all, at least it is faster with a decent margin (albeit not as big as the price margin). So thanks for that AMD!
I should point out that I'm looking to game at 4k with >100fps where possible.
I've been out of the game for a bit, in part due to the supply issues last gen, so looking to buy a whole new PC. I was originally going to get a 4080, but then found out these were going to launch in 2 weeks (this was 2 weeks ago, obviously) so I waited. I was hoping they'd either fall short and make the 4080 seem like the card to go for or blow it away and the 7900XTX would be the card for me, but here we are.
The 7900XTX is probably just a little better than the 4080 and I appreciate that AMD driver improvements usually pull a little more performance out of the lifecycle of the card (compared to Nvidia), but I don't see thisd entirely as a positive. It feels like they're just optimising poorly at release and I have to wait for the performance to come rather than getting it at the start. But in theory the 7900XTX will only get better over time.
However on the downside, the price gap isn't what we'd (naively) hoped and I imagine the 3rd party designs/coolers will only be more expensive, closing the price gap even more. On top of that there's another wait for the release of these cards (Gibbo, any idea when this will be and what stock levels will be like?). Since this won't be a small upgrade for me, I'm getting impatient as it is. The reference coolers, like all reference coolers, don't really wow me and they seem to be the minimum solution that's up to the task (only the Fury X and Vega 64LC reference coolers really impressed me). The reviews I've seen suggest the contact with the dies isn't ideal, the cooling isn't as good as the 3rd party coolers (on Nvidia cards) and they're a little louder than people would like (which has shocked me for an AMD reference cooler, never heard of that before).
I'm actually at the point where I'm considering one of the cheaper 4090s as while it's more expensive and not good value at all, at least it is faster with a decent margin (albeit not as big as the price margin). So thanks for that AMD!
I should point out that I'm looking to game at 4k with >100fps where possible.
I tried to buy a 6800 XT direct from AMD before Brexit, no stock at launch. Had to buy at MSRP from main competitor.
Retailers can do MSRP, suppose depends on what AMD/distributors etc charge.
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UK market share for AMD is crap probably.
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NAF just bought a 7900XTX from OCuk
Nope, I'm still not understanding what your point is, maybe because the equivalent last gen with the same relative performance didn't cost £525.The point I'm making is spending £1000-1200 on cards where the equivalent last gen would have been £525 in terms of the relative performance on offer isn't worth it.
How many people would have purchased a 3070ti for £1100 or a 6800 non XT for £1000 as that's essentially what these companies are trying to sell you now.
It's not helped by the fact that you're not even comparing the equivalent last gen with the same relative performance in those charts. I assume you've drawn on them to demonstrate something but I've no idea what, for starters one is the mean between 9 vs 13 games and secondly you're comparing last gen with last gen and current gen with current gen, not the equivalent last gen. Then you're comparing non-Ti models with Ti models.
Maybe if you're trying to demonstrate that they're trying to sell people £1000 cards with the equivalent performance of 3070Ti or a 6800 non XT then you should post some benchmarks of £1000 current gen cards compared against those cards. I suspect you'll struggle to find any though as all the benchmarks I've seen so far show the £1000 current gen cards beating those cards by quiet some margin.
I'm talking about the relative performance delta of last gens 3070ti and 6800 compared to the 3090 which is in the same ballpark of the relative performance between the 7900XTX/4080 when compared to the 4090.
I think what you're failing to grasp is that cards which have a 35% performance gap to the halo card have traditionally sold for around £500-600.
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Apologies, my post was meant as sarcasm. I have been saying for weeks the 4090, 4080 and now 7900s are vastly overpriced.
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Oh right, so nothing whatsoever to do with what i was talking about, glad we cleared that up.
Interesting that TPU's review of the ASUS OC and XFX Merc models has them both OCing over 3GHz and essentially bridging the gap between the 4080 and 4090 at least in Cyberpunk 2077. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-tuf-oc/39.html
Seems like 3Ghz+ is real after all, as long as you pump it with some power.
Seems like 3Ghz+ is real after all, as long as you pump it with some power.
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Is that another typo? I'd not call a 4080 equivalent a mid range card. It's high end, it's not a 4090 but that is the very top. TBH it's up to the person what they decide is value for their use. I'd rather have the 7900 xtx because prices are already stupid so the normal 'just save £200 more' logic isn't as good a recommendation when it's already bad value either way. If I had to pick one or the other I'd edge for more reasonable price over minor RT difference.
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its high end? Because Nvidia told you this?
It's high end compared to last gen but then that's expected when a new gen releases 2 years later, compared to the current gen top card it's distinctly mid range, a 35% performance gap to the top card is generally where the 70 class sits.