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arknor said:
what kind of retarded statement is that? he started racing when all the driving aids werent around you muppet

he wasnt slow then either
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arknor - dannyjo22 is referring to the 1994 season when the Benetton car was found to have traction control software in the ECU (though no proof was found that it was used). He also makes claims regarding the Ferrari years with the car running traction control and a crude form of ABS. Personally, I tend to agree on the '94 season stuff (though I don't vilify him for what happened at Adelaide since every single other driver on the grid would have done what he did) - Briatore and his cadre could well have been up to no good, and I'm sure that poor mechanic who got fired due to Benetton's modification of the fuel rig was done a serious injustice. But what Ferrari were doing over the years was simply clever interpretation of the rulebook rather than using banned driver aids. Anyone that thinks other teams weren't doing the same wasn't paying attention.

Case in point - I noted in one of the race threads on here (think it was Monza '08) that whenever the Toyotas nailed it out of Ascari there wasn't a single whiff of wheelspin or scrambling for traction despite every other car struggling to get forward bite out of the chicane. More than a few people spotted it. Presumably whatever system they had to control traction was basic enough that it could get past the scrutineers (or Toyota paid them off, one of the two).
 
JRS said:
Case in point - I noted in one of the race threads on here (think it was Monza '08) that whenever the Toyotas nailed it out of Ascari there wasn't a single whiff of wheelspin or scrambling for traction despite every other car struggling to get forward bite out of the chicane. More than a few people spotted it. Presumably whatever system they had to control traction was basic enough that it could get past the scrutineers (or Toyota paid them off, one of the two).
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i think it was monza 08 as well. There engine note was wierd out of the corners at most races too....
 
arknor said:
what kind of retarded statement is that? he started racing when all the driving aids werent around you muppet

he wasnt slow then either
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All through the 2000's he had a huge electronic advantage over his rivals, well documented. As where the times he ran it ilegally. Hell the only reason they bought the bloody gadgets back in the first place is because ferrari was using it through engine mapping and the FIA didn't know how to monitor it.

No JRS I wasn't talkign about 94, I was talking about all the other times strangely when he was surrounded by the same bunch as those around the car in 94. Everyone knows he was using it then as well.
 
Brawn, however, have insisted that Button will not be permitted to assume any duties for McLaren, whether on or off the track, before the end of next month. "Jenson will not be doing anything at all for McLaren until the end of this calendar year," said Nick Fry, the Brawn team's chief executive officer. "And if he does, we will be looking on it very dimly. He didn't have any obligations to us in 2010, but there are issues with regard to the [McLaren contract] signing process on which we are in discussion with him at the moment. There are other constraints on what Jenson can do between now and the end of the year which we will be rigorously enforcing."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/nov/19/jenson-button-brawn-mclaren-contract
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Interesting . . .
 
What's wrong with BrawnGP preventing Button from starting work at McLaren, before Jan 1st 2010? Its all part of the game, surely?

If I had the opportunity to slow down development of the car of a rival, I would grab that opportunity with both hands.
 
It's unsportsman like I'm afraid. Kind of a cowardly thing to do instead of rising to the challenge. This was a gentleman's sport once upon a time, no longer.
 
From November 11th:
Jenson Button's contract negotiations have taken a new twist with team principal Ross Brawn suggesting they are unlikely to match his salary demands.
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Team boss Brawn, who recently stated that he is "99 per cent certain" that the Englishman will stay, hinted that they will probably offer him more freedom to negotiate his own sponsorship deals instead of giving him a contract worth more than £6m a year.

http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5687767,00.html
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Clearly someone miscalculated . . .

I guess that if Ross Brawn was so confident that Button would stay, it is not entirely surprising that he, Nick Fry & Mercedes aren't exactly over the moon about his departure.
 
Brawn should've tied Button up weeks ago, they let the saga run on far too long and they've paid the price. Nick Fry has got some real balls to come out and say "Clearly loyalty would be nice", when Button has stuck with that team through thick and thin and played a massive part in delivering them both championships this season. Can't blame Jenson at all for wanting to drive for one of the best teams in the business with arguably the best driver on the grid as a team mate. Plus, I don't think time is really on his side any more after wasting many years in crap BAR/Hondas.
 
Burned_Alive said:
Plus, I don't think time is really on his side any more after wasting many years in crap BAR/Hondas.
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Yep. It would be a disaster for him if BrawnGP went back to the days when Honda used to turn out really bad cars. McLaren certainly have a better record of producing race winning cars than Honda/BrawnGP/Mercedes.

This may have been a factor.

Also, Eddie Jordan seems to think that there is a good chance that M. Schumacher is going to drive for Mercedes next year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm
 
Yeah, perhaps Nick deserves a chance in what could be a front running car. He could very well come in the top three in the WC given his record.

Anyway, I'd pop down to your local salt mine and get a massive truckload of the stuff to take with pretty much anything Eddie Jordan says. He does make me laugh though, sad thing is, despite that, he could well be right, we all saw what happened earlier this season. Schumi still very much has the hunger.
 
Duke said:
Speaking of which, anyone got a list of the test dates?
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I can't find anything. but isn't it usually a week towards the end of December, then most of it starts end of jan -feb time.

perhaps cs-nuts has some inside knowledge. Surly some tracks mus of been booked.
 
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