***Official 2010 F1 thread***

For the last time, KERS will not be used by any team!

Being part of FOTA (for the moment anyway) is far more benificial to a team than investing large amounts of money in technology that never really showed itslef to be much of an advantage last year. Being booted out of FOTA is not something any of the teams want to do, so none of them will be running KERS.

Not to mention the extra safety precautions put in place for marshals (rubbers gloves etc) that wont be in place this year with the lack of KERS. Any team who tried to secretly run KERS would likely suffer the rath of the FIA for imposing a risk marshalling staff were not protected against.

KERS will not happen this year.
 
As it was implemented last year, what exactly was the point of KERS? The one and only time it held a demonstrable performance advantage at the pointy end of the grid was Spa, when Kimi blew by Fisi on that restart. Sure, it meant that the McLaren stayed in touch while the boys from Woking sorted the car out. And it helped a few guys to not get overtaken. But it really didn't do a whole heap all told, aside from compromise a few cars and prove that Hamilton really is a very good driver despite how annoying the members of his fanclub are.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious, or wilfully ignoring any good points it did have, but I'm honestly struggling to see what it did for the racing last year. The two best cars (the BGP 001 and the RB5) didn't have it, after all....
 
I was not a fan of KERS from the beginning, as I don't like 'push to pass' solutions. However it would have worked better if they allowed either more boost or a longer period of boost per lap I guess.
 
Duke said:
However it would have worked better if they allowed either more boost or a longer period of boost per lap I guess.
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Absolutely. But they didn't allow those things. And wouldn't allow them if any car ran KERS this year either.

So what's the point of it?
 
It was its first year though, it would take a couple of seasons to tweak it and make changes, but due to "the current climate" the costs are too much at the moment.
 
Yeah, but within a couple of season, they would all have had identical systems, so there would be no benfit and no advantage. Every boost to pass would be matched by a boost to counter.

It worked in A1GP because they were limited to how many they could use. In F1 is was a badly timed experiment in making new technology and making F1 look green that hit head on into the financial issues and failed.
 
Skeeter said:
Yeah, but within a couple of season, they would all have had identical systems, so there would be no benfit and no advantage. Every boost to pass would be matched by a boost to counter.
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Drivers of differing abilities would use the boost button in different ways. It simply adds another variation to in ways that drivers can overtake.

We saw this year that Hamilton was clearly the leader in being able to get the most out of his KERS device. When Fisichella made the switch to a KERS car he simply couldnt get to grips with the KERS device.

From the above, I think its fair to say that if an identical KERS system was placed into every car, different drivers would use the device with differing levels of effectiveness.

In any case, given that KERS is not being used in 2010, its a dead argument.

For the record, I liked KERS, especially in the hands of Hamilton.
 
No it wouldnt and you know it. They would figure out the most effective way to use KERS and then everyone would use it the same way.

The ONLY person who used KERS in a majorly different way last year was Badoer, and we all know how good a racing driver he is.

As with everything in F1, when its new its used in different ways, but before long the most effective use comes about and then everyone does it all the same way. Examples include pit stop strategies, the soft/hard tyre compounds, double diffusers, shark fins, etc etc.
 
Skeeter said:
As with everything in F1, when its new its used in different ways, but before long the most effective use comes about and then everyone does it all the same way. Examples include pit stop strategies, the soft/hard tyre compounds, double diffusers, shark fins, etc etc.
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Those examples are not good ones as they all involve a technology which is fitted to the car and the driver doesnt need to exhibit much (if any) skill to use the tech.

KERS is different in that the driver has to learn to use the KERS device at the right time. The big problem with its use is that after a long straight, the driver has to judge his (altered) braking point if overtaking another driver. Similarly, if the driver is using the KERS device, coming out of a corner, while following a car ahead, he has to judge whether or not the extra power in the wheels (delivered by the KERS device) will allow the car to hold or fall off the track.

Another difficulty with KERS is that in 2009, there are lots of buttons which the driver is pressing as he moving through the lap. The KERS button adds an extra thing to do during the lap. This is why driving in 1990 was a lot different to what it is in 2010 (ie. extra buttons to press, to get the most out of the car).

But, like I stated earlier, its pointless arguing about KERS as nobody is using it now.
 
kers would have worked better if the teams carried on using it.

you cant always use kers when you want to if someone is in your slipstream its added pressure on the driver in front making it more likely he will make a mistake either with his cars or with his timing of kers.
 
sunama said:
We saw this year that Hamilton was clearly the leader in being able to get the most out of his KERS device. When Fisichella made the switch to a KERS car he simply couldnt get to grips with the KERS device.

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Thats a really unfair comparisson (and I like Hamilton and dont like Fisi particularly)

1) Ferrari was particularly awful car last year, and getting to grips with it midyear with no testing was nigh on impossible

2) Even with testing - which he didnt get - you are comparing someone who was comfortable with the team and car (and generations fo the "same" car) against someone who had a handful of races with a team he barely knew

Personally think it was the car itself Fisi couldnt handle and for reasonable reasons - maybe even with extensive testing Fisi would have been just as bad because of the KERS but its impossible to know

Just trying to be fair here :D

(mind you the mid race "resetting" of KERS by Hamilton with all those key presses/radio instructions was incredible)
 
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