***Official 2010 F1 thread***

sunama said:
JRS. Wait till we get down to the business end of the season - when Alonso/Ferrari are competing for the title and need assistance. I can almost guarantee there is going to be a race where Ferrari will receive outside assistance, especially if Hamilton/McLaren are the ones who Ferrari are competing against.

I do agree that Renault are receiving assistance, but at this point, its too early to say if this assistance will come to anything. Vettel/RedBull will be pulled back by the FIA, should they be the ones competing against Ferrari for the titles. My gut tells me though, that it will be Hamilton, as at present, I don't feel that Vettel has the ability to beat Alonso over the course of a full season. I could be wrong though as Vettel is still improving and if RedBull improve their car faster than Ferrari, then Vettel could be winning many races in a row, leaving everybody else fighting for 2nd place.

In summary, Renault have been assisted, but nothing has come of it...yet.
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From my understanding, Mercedes were given the chance to de-tune their engine to pull it into line with other engines. To me that would have been a good move for them as they would still have a very good engine that didnt need to be pushed to its limits to perform. At the same time, i guess that this would have also increased their fuel economy.

The Renault engine is quite a bit down on the Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of pure brute force although is significantly better on fuel.

As for Ferrari International Assistance, i still dont know why you keep banging on about it. It should really be left where it belongs, in the past. Most people know it had more to do with the FIA/Moseley relationship with Ron Dennis more than anything else.
 
CS||nuTs said:
As for Ferrari International Assistance, i still dont know why you keep banging on about it. It should really be left where it belongs, in the past. Most people know it had more to do with the FIA/Moseley relationship with Ron Dennis more than anything else.
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I've advanced that theory more times than I'd care to remember - it never seems to register.

schumi84 said:
ROFL, i couldnt have put that better myself :p
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You reckon? I would have put it better, but he managed to over-ride the intelligent portion of my brain long enough to drag that out of me. Not exactly poetry, but it was fitting for the moment.
 
CS||nuTs said:
The Renault engine is quite a bit down on the Ferrari and Mercedes in terms of pure brute force although is significantly better on fuel.
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10 kilos lighter at the start of a race if reports are to be believed, quite some saving. Thats 10 kilos of glue they can add to the spark plugs ;)
 
JRS said:
You reckon? I would have put it better, but he managed to over-ride the intelligent portion of my brain long enough to drag that out of me. Not exactly poetry, but it was fitting for the moment.
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Indeed it was, concise and to the point :)
 
Hmmm.

Are debates and arguments won/lost by swearing at people who disagree with your view-point? I think not.

But as JRS said, he lost the ability to think intelligently.
 
i think there needs to be a thread just for sunama and JRS to argue.


mclaren think they will be much stronger at australia, they think the car will be better and will be set up much better also.
 
Over Clocker said:
Ron Dennis is saying that he doesn't believe the Red Bull threw a spark plug, more likely it was about to run out of fuel!
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FANTASTIC!

This is the F1 of old which I miss - the name calling, the accusations, the snide comments, etc. Love it. This is what keeps things interesting between races.

I'm more inclined to believe RedBull though - had they been running out of fuel, I'm pretty sure we would've heard it over the radio, where Vettel would've been asked to move to a leaner fuel setting. In reality, what we heard was Vettel coming over the radio stating that he is losing power.

I seriously hope McLaren are more competitive at Australia and I would love to see Hamilton and Alonso both fighting for the leading positions.
 
Over Clocker said:
Ron Dennis is saying that he doesn't believe the Red Bull threw a spark plug, more likely it was about to run out of fuel!

Interesting...
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Thats laughable tbh. The car was only down on speed on the straight and still as fast as anyone through the 'infield' on sector times.

Various drivers commented on the engine not firing correctly.

As said I'm pretty sure you would have heard about it if the car was low on fuel, it's not like Vettel was pushing that hard either and Webber made the distance.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Thats laughable tbh. The car was only down on speed on the straight and still as fast as anyone through the 'infield' on sector times.

Various drivers commented on the engine not firing correctly.

As said I'm pretty sure you would have heard about it if the car was low on fuel, it's not like Vettel was pushing that hard either and Webber made the distance.
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you are on full acceleration down the straight using up a lot more fuel than acceleration bursts round the corners so it may be a bit far fetched but plausible.

also dont teams have secret radio transmitions that no one else can hear? could have told vettel to say something.
 
I think its a reasonable theory.

Ron is saying that the ECU may have (been instructed to?) shut down one of the cylinders to save fuel. Apparently a feature of the McLaren ECU (which all teams use). If anyone should know.. it would be Ron.

It is strange that apparently a spark plug failed but that there was no consequences of fuel getting injected and not burnt? Surely that should have cause loads of flames out of the exhaust? Or I suppose the ECU may have detected repeated non-sparks and stopped injecting fuel on that cylinder?
 
utajoker said:
also dont teams have secret radio transmitions that no one else can hear? could have told vettel to say something.
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But why would Vettel/RedBull go through that pullava? They have nothing gain/lose by saying the problem was a spark plug or low fuel. The result stands and it wouldnt make any difference to the points standings for the actual for Vettel losing speed.
 
utajoker said:
you are on full acceleration down the straight using up a lot more fuel than acceleration bursts round the corners so it may be a bit far fetched but plausible..
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You think it uses more fuel to accelerate out of the last corner to max speed than to keep nailing it out of each corner infield? I imagine the feul used to accelerate a car with momentum is a lot less than continued bursts though the infield.

Maybe Rons right but again how come webber had no such problems. Vettels problems started with a distance to go as well, it's not like webber was borderline.
 
dannyjo22 said:
You think it uses more fuel to accelerate out of the last corner to max speed than to keep nailing it out of each corner infield?
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yes, down the straight your full throttle for how ever long the straight is, in the twisty bits your also breaking and maybe not using full throttle to accelerate out of a corner.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Thats laughable tbh. The car was only down on speed on the straight and still as fast as anyone through the 'infield' on sector times.

Various drivers commented on the engine not firing correctly.

As said I'm pretty sure you would have heard about it if the car was low on fuel, it's not like Vettel was pushing that hard either and Webber made the distance.
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It's actually not that laughable...!

Remember who made the standard F1 ecu ;)
 
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