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There's no way F1 cars are designed purely to run reliably in clean air. If the ferrari over heats while following it's a bad design and is a reliability issue.

Not if when they reach the lower temperature circuits, they find the car working better than other cars.

I would like to beleive that they do design the cars to run best when not following another car, why compromise your design to allow a car to run behind another??

Push the envelope and give the driver every chance to get infront and tackle the cooling issue that way!
 
Just spotted this. Probs the best track by far (IMO) ...

You won't get any arguments from me on that. Spa is a true driver's circuit. If you are quick there, you are geuninely a fast driver.

Lets hope that they get it sorted before the GP is scheduled to run.
 
Spa used to be a true drivers circuit, now it's no longer a challenge and unless it rains chucks up as boring a race as everywhere else.

Eau Rouge should be a compromise between speed and bravery. Now it's flat like the rest of the great corners.

A lovely setting and fine track but not for F1 for the last 10 years.
 
Think you could argue that about many tracks danny. All the old style tracks that were renowned for having hard corners have become easy due to high downforce.
 
Don't forget that at Spa, it is quite common to see parts of the track, wet/damp, while other areas of the track are bone dry. This forces drivers to really use their driving skills.

I agree that Eau Rouge has been dumbed down, due to the superior downforce of modern cars, but that track has virtually every corner known to man on it and usually delivers an exciting race.
 
The fact that Ferrari stated they will fix the cooling issue for Oz, to me, implies they perceived it as a defect / reliability concern. End of matter really.
 
RE: Overheating...
I would imagine the cars are designed to make best use of clean air when running on a clean track, and are designed to cope in those situations perfectly (even in bahrain's heat). However, when in hot disrupted air from another car they would expect to see overheating after an extended period of time in such a hot environment.
Its hardly a reliability issue, its facing reality/physics!

Unless you're driving the Lotus. ;)
They were adding tape to the radiators of the cars as they have 20% more cooling than they need. Didn't have the spec of the Cosworth when they were designing so they went for the worst case scenario.

Something to work on for the Barcelona update.

Don't forget that at Spa, it is quite common to see parts of the track, wet/damp, while other areas of the track are bone dry. This forces drivers to really use their driving skills.

I agree that Eau Rouge has been dumbed down, due to the superior downforce of modern cars, but that track has virtually every corner known to man on it and usually delivers an exciting race.

Spa is an awesomely good track. Love the place.

Shame the cars have far too much downforce to be a true balls out track now. Just ask Villeneuve and Zonta what they think of the place in a car that isn't fully developed.

For me, all they need to do really is return the bus stop to it's original design before a certain German had a hand in destroying it.
 
Redbull have a lot to lose i.e teams now know how far and how fast the car will go before running out of fuel by
just by looking at the lap times before and after the problem.




Well he did the last few laps ok but pulled up after the finish line.
Which says to me that they was running out of fuel and as you know there has to be 1ltr( I think) left in the fuel tank
at the end of the race or your disqualified.

If your car was running like a bag of nails, would you drive direct to your house or go past it just for the hell of it? The car was stopped where it did as it was the closest fire marshal point. The team had no idea at that stage what exactly had happened and the thought of the car erupting in flames somewhere out on the track was not one that appealed to us.
 
If your car was running like a bag of nails, would you drive direct to your house or go past it just for the hell of it?

Why did he not pull up right away then if it was as bad as you say?
And his lap times was pretty good for a "bag of nails"
Hell give that "bag of nails" to Virgin Racing they would love it :)



The car was stopped where it did as it was the closest fire marshal point. The team had no idea at that stage what exactly had happened and the thought of the car erupting in flames somewhere out on the track was not one that appealed to us.

"closest fire marshal point" oh behave will you :D

He had other laps to stop IF the team thought he was going to catch fire but he did not.
Lets think like the team..right then shall we let this car run and maybe erupt into flames and lose a car and
hurt vettel and lose an engine for the season or shall we pull him up now?

And if it was a spark plug that went bad where was the flames from the fuel being dumped into the exhaust?

Sorry dude but all the evidence points to the team turning off a fuel injector.
 
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Why did he not pull up right away then if it was as bad as you say?
And his lap times was pretty good for a "bag of nails"
Hell give that "bag of nails" to Virgin Racing they would love it :)





"closest fire marshal point" oh behave will you :D

He had other laps to stop IF the team thought he was going to catch fire but he did not.
Lets think like the team..right then shall we let this car run and maybe erupt into flames and lose a car and
hurt vettel and lose an engine for the season or shall we pull him up now?

And if it was a spark plug that went bad where was the flames from the fuel being dumped into the exhaust?

Sorry dude but all the evidence points to the team turning off a fuel injector.

A very large section of Bahrain is now 70% throttle twisty crap, this is where he could effectively get as much out of the engine as Alonso et al behind him. As soon as he got to a straight he was a sitting duck. A few things were tried from the pitwall to cure it but nothing worked. Seb even went as far as trying to shake the car to see if something was loose and he did this on quite a few occaisions but, being as it was clearly him running out of fuel, he thought he better pretend to be trying to fix it! Give me a break Columbo.

Because we are a race team, while there are points available then we will go for it. If he had been down in 12th place then we would have just pulled him in. As for pulling up right away, he did, the moment he was over the line.

As for the spent fuel, from what i have been told its possible to shut off fuel supply to a faulty cylinder via the ECU.
 
Sorry dude but all the evidence points to the team turning off a fuel injector.
Vettel would have had to be been complicit because its against the rules for the pitwall to be able to transmit "commands" to the car. Unless something has changed??

Something tells me the ECU isn't advanced enough to make "we aren't gonna make it captain! shutting down a cylinder, sir!" calculations by itself. And surely there is better ways to manage economy than just dumbly turning off a cylinder? Like running a leaner mixture and/or cylinder cycling?
 
As for the spent fuel, from what i have been told its possible to shut off fuel supply to a faulty cylinder via the ECU.

McLaren were certainly doing it at the end of the pitlane before the standard ECU came in - they'd sit for over a minute without any hint of overheating *unlike other teams* Dropping a couple of cylinders at a time to keep the temperatures down.

Since it's a McLaren ECU, I would have expected that ability to remain.
 
McLaren were certainly doing it at the end of the pitlane before the standard ECU came in - they'd sit for over a minute without any hint of overheating *unlike other teams* Dropping a couple of cylinders at a time to keep the temperatures down.

Since it's a McLaren ECU, I would have expected that ability to remain.


I agree with you ;)

And when Lewis passed vettel he said the red bull wasn’t “firing on all cylinders”.

Now if a driver that passes Vettel knows the problem how the hell did Vettel not know?
I belive the ECU switched to a save fuel program.
 
Like running a leaner mixture and/or cylinder cycling?

There is a train of thought that they ran so lean the heat build up caused a spark plug failure. I've seen that said on a few forums over the last few days in relation to failures of spark plugs when running lean.

Still dont believe it because MArk wasn't having issues and if Sebs started as early as lap 33 you can bet Webber would have had the same issue unless the problem was caused by either running so lean or he had a fuel leak.

I belive the ECU switched to a save fuel program.

Again why didn't webber have this problem as the issue started on lap 33?

You will find out in the next race because you would expect the car to have the same issues at 2/3rds distance at australia.
 
Yep, I just don't believe for a second that it was an issue with running out of fuel.
It would have been believable if it had happened with say 5 laps left but not as early as it did.
 
Again why didn't webber have this problem as the issue started on lap 33?

You will find out in the next race because you would expect the car to have the same issues at 2/3rds distance at australia.


Webber did not go as fast as Vettel in the race so that would save him fuel.
It could be that either the RB fuel tank is to small or their engine is not as efficient as they thought.
 
Yep, I just don't believe for a second that it was an issue with running out of fuel.
It would have been believable if it had happened with say 5 laps left but not as early as it did.

Not necessarily.

If RedBull's calculations told them that at the current rate of fuel consumption, they would not finish the race, they could either start conserving fuel early (on lap 33 or whatever it was) or they run as they were, then with 5 laps to go, turn the fuel consumption right down and get passed by 10 cars. It always makes sense to change your fuel settings, the second you know that you wont make full race distance.

In saying all that, I don't believe that Vettel's problem was due to low fuel. Spark plug fault makes more sense.
 
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