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Ferrari? Oh wait can't use that one. Damn
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Trouble at spa according to auto sports.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82285?source=www.jamesjakes.com/2008
Hope its fixed because no spa would be a complete bummer. The 1 track you can get a good race and it could be in doubt.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82285?source=www.jamesjakes.com/2008
Hope its fixed because no spa would be a complete bummer. The 1 track you can get a good race and it could be in doubt.
So it looks like Hamilton is claiming that RedBull have the fastest car, by far.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8579797.stm
Obviously we need to see how RedBull go in Australia, as basing performance on a single race could be premature.
What I want to see now, is how Alonso/Ferrari go at Australia, as they will be the ones to take the fight to RedBull, if RedBull emerge as having "the best car, by far". I know CSl is VERY confident that RedBull have the best car, but we need to see how they go at Australia.
The one thing that should give Ferrari confidence is that Alonso was able to produce a race lap which was over a second faster than anyone elses.
Right now, the only thing going for McLaren, is the fact that they have Hamilton and after 2009, they have shown they know how to turn a bad car into a race winning one.
So, at this stage, the 3 leading teams all have something positive to cling to.
What I like about RedBull is that they have shown that they are not 1 hit wonders (like BrawnGP) and have been able to continue 2010, where they left off in 2009.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8579797.stm
Obviously we need to see how RedBull go in Australia, as basing performance on a single race could be premature.
What I want to see now, is how Alonso/Ferrari go at Australia, as they will be the ones to take the fight to RedBull, if RedBull emerge as having "the best car, by far". I know CSl is VERY confident that RedBull have the best car, but we need to see how they go at Australia.
The one thing that should give Ferrari confidence is that Alonso was able to produce a race lap which was over a second faster than anyone elses.
Right now, the only thing going for McLaren, is the fact that they have Hamilton and after 2009, they have shown they know how to turn a bad car into a race winning one.
So, at this stage, the 3 leading teams all have something positive to cling to.
What I like about RedBull is that they have shown that they are not 1 hit wonders (like BrawnGP) and have been able to continue 2010, where they left off in 2009.
McLaren don't have bad car this year though. They came third in the first race of the season (although technically he came third in that dog of a car last year too 
). Not to be sniffed at IMO.
A couple or so tenths and they will be on Red Bulls gearbox
). Not to be sniffed at IMO.A couple or so tenths and they will be on Red Bulls gearbox
Hamilton previously said ferrari was the car to beat, he needs to make his mind up.
Red Bull are far ahead of mclaren right now. Much faster in qfy trim and able to run 10 kilos lighter on fuel due to being more efficient, meaning the Ferrari only really is on level pegging in the last 10 laps or so.
Alonso will start every race much heavier than the red bull. For long periods of the race Red bull will have a weight advantage and as CS alluded to in another thread that really helps in comparison to Webber in setting the car up.
Alonso set a fast lap after Vettel lost power. Vettel had him covered, without clean air Alonso wouldn't have gotten close to Vettel. He only got the clean air because of lack of straightline speed. He still didn't have the corner downforce of the red bull and had to wait until the straight to get close.
Vettel wasn't pushing because he didn't have to, then he had a problem. The red bull showed blistering pace on low tanks and speed on heavy tanks, no one else seemed to have the best of both like they did.
Hamilton was over a second away from Vettel in qfy trim. That wont be made up easily and then he had clean air for large portions of the race and still finished 6 seconds behind massa who had backed off, alonso was another 16 seconds down the road. So hamilton couldn't live with a backed off ferrari let alone the red bull.
Mclaren can turn it round fast but I think Vettel having an issue has made people forget how dominant that car was compared to the rest.
I agree with you on most points, but you cannot disregard what happened to Vettel's car (with regard to reliability).
Any car could be setup to go fast for 80% of the race. Even the McLaren could be set up to go fast for 80% of the race, before blowing up (or being forced to slow down, in order to complete the race).
This relability issue is the only reason why I am a little reserved when it comes to judging RedBull's true pace.
I believe that when reliability is brought into the equation, Ferrari have the best car.
If we discount reliability then its pretty obvious that Vettel/RedBull were the fastest in Bahrain.
Any car could be setup to go fast for 80% of the race. Even the McLaren could be set up to go fast for 80% of the race, before blowing up (or being forced to slow down, in order to complete the race).
This relability issue is the only reason why I am a little reserved when it comes to judging RedBull's true pace.
I believe that when reliability is brought into the equation, Ferrari have the best car.
If we discount reliability then its pretty obvious that Vettel/RedBull were the fastest in Bahrain.
You must have missed the bit where ferrari changed both engines prior to the start of the race and had to back off behind another car due to heat worries, even in clean air massa had to back right out.
spoke to CH about this today over a cuppa
His words "Ron is talking out of his *** and clutching at straws"Err what?
Of all the front runners, theirs is probably the least reliable!!!Their testing was fine, admittedly, but that doesn't really prove much.
Indeed they did, but they did this as a precautionary measure. And when the race started, neither car had any problems (except for heating: see below).
Indeed, they had to back off, as a precautionary measure. Although, it must be said that Alonso didnt back off, causing Vettel's engineer to state that if Alonso continues the way he is (ie. running close to Vettel's car), then he will kill his car. This didnt happen. In fact after Vettel had problems, Alonso went on to push his car even harder and posted the fastest lap. After which, he finished the race....with no mechanical problems.
Err what?
Their testing was fine, admittedly, but that doesn't really prove much.
Of all the front runners, as far as I'm aware, during the race, Vettel's was the only car which actually had problems.
Both Ferraris and both McLarens finished the race without mechanical issues (which actually caused their race to be compromised).
So you don't think that overheating engines leading to the drivers having to back off to save them counts as their race being compromised?
What am I saying, of course you would. You'd argue any bizarre position rather than admitting that you're wrong....
RBR spark plug died. That's the official line from RBR, so we have to assume it is true. This is hardly the fault of anyone except the QA department of the spark plug manufacturer.
Ferrari had to swap both engines prior to the race. And they suffered from engine cooling issues in the race.
McLaren... had a slight concern over brake temperature and got their drivers to play with brake bias to fix it.
In recent seasons Ferrari has had numerous engine failures (at critical points!). Far more than RBR have. There was also the time that their exhaust fell off.
McLaren as we all know haven't had a true engine failure in years. The last major reliability failure for them was Abu Dhabi when LH's brakes failed which cost him an easy win.
PS: Those two suspect engines that Ferrari swapped out could, yet, prove to cost them this championship. We will have to wait and see.
Redbull have a lot to lose i.e teams now know how far and how fast the car will go before running out of fuel by
just by looking at the lap times before and after the problem.
spoke to CH about this today over a cuppa
Well he did the last few laps ok but pulled up after the finish line.
Which says to me that they was running out of fuel and as you know there has to be 1ltr( I think) left in the fuel tank
at the end of the race or your disqualified.
Agreed.
What, Alonso clearly had issues, he only set the fast laps once in clean air. Other than that he couldn't risk being behind vettel which is why massa backed out from going at alonso.
If it was Jenson that had just done the same as alonso you would have been the first on here banging on about how foolish Jenson was to stress a car with issues when the race was in the bag after showing over heating problems.
Rather than just say you got it wrong and ferrari did indeed have issues you have created this fantasy world where because the ferrari was quick (one of them) in clean air the problem never happened. I vote name change to Comical Ali.
Ok but yet still no one will give an answer as to why webber never had the same issues and pushed on until the end, where vettels problems started on lap 33 of 49. So with 16 laps of fuel left Ron reckons the car started in limp mode does he.
If Vettel can only go 2/3rds of a race distance at the 6th longest race of the year then they are in trouble.
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RE: Overheating...
I would imagine the cars are designed to make best use of clean air when running on a clean track, and are designed to cope in those situations perfectly (even in bahrain's heat). However, when in hot disrupted air from another car they would expect to see overheating after an extended period of time in such a hot environment.
Its hardly a reliability issue, its facing reality/physics!
I would imagine the cars are designed to make best use of clean air when running on a clean track, and are designed to cope in those situations perfectly (even in bahrain's heat). However, when in hot disrupted air from another car they would expect to see overheating after an extended period of time in such a hot environment.
Its hardly a reliability issue, its facing reality/physics!
That's my way of thinking. Prolonged exposure in a hot environment, running closely behind another car will eventually cause overheating on virtually any car. The acid test for me, was that Alonso's race wasn't compromised and he was able to drive as he wanted (without going crazy). Vettel on the other hand - his race was compromised and was forced to drive slowly.
To me, that comes down to reliability.
Also, the Ferrari engines were swapped out as a precautionary measure. They never actually broke. However, as Nathan said, the fact that they have already used 2 engines, may become an issue later on the season.
What's dissapointing is that when people disagree with other people's opinions, they start the name-calling/swearing - totally uncalled for. Some people should just learn to understand that their opinion is not going to be shared by everybody.
To me, that comes down to reliability.
Also, the Ferrari engines were swapped out as a precautionary measure. They never actually broke. However, as Nathan said, the fact that they have already used 2 engines, may become an issue later on the season.
What's dissapointing is that when people disagree with other people's opinions, they start the name-calling/swearing - totally uncalled for. Some people should just learn to understand that their opinion is not going to be shared by everybody.
Oh come on you can use that logic for every failure there has ever been in F1. The cars are supposed to be designed to run in the heat and up close to another car for extended periods. Thats a reliability issue, as is the engine change prior to the race.
Ferrari are not about to tell you the engines were borked are they. They pedal out "the as a precaution line".
There's no way F1 cars are designed purely to run reliably in clean air. If the ferrari over heats while following it's a bad design and is a reliability issue.