***Official 2010 F1 thread***

Different tyre makers adds variation and makes racing less predictable. Anything that makes the final race result less predictable is welcome.

3 tyre manufacturers would be great.
 
It works great as long as you don't get a scenario like Indy '05 where one tyre manufacturer brings rubber that can't possibly be raced on due to an oversight*. Or a situation like we had for the rest of the '05 season where the Bridgestone tyres just weren't competitive enough to win a race without something extraordinary happening.

* - Indy '05 is a prime example of why Michelin shouldn't be allowed back.
 
Bear in mind that Indy 05 was an exception. That was the only race I've seen in modern times where cars were not permitted to race due to tyre problems.

If a tyre manufacturer enters the fray and they are not competitive, it is up to the team(s) to work with the tyre manufacturer to make the tyres more competitive. What will also happen is that on some tracks, 1 tyre manufacturer will be stronger, while on other tracks another tyre manufacturer will be stronger.

This is exactly what we need to see - variation.
 
I'm all for having multiple tyre manufactureers!

Though if it had to be only one, I'd be rooting for Cooper Avon (dad knows some high up people there).

JRS said:
It works great as long as you don't get a scenario like Indy '05 where one tyre manufacturer brings rubber that can't possibly be raced on due to an oversight*. Or a situation like we had for the rest of the '05 season where the Bridgestone tyres just weren't competitive enough to win a race without something extraordinary happening.

* - Indy '05 is a prime example of why Michelin shouldn't be allowed back.
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Might be worth remembering that the track had been resurfaced, and Bridgestone only knew of the increased wear/loads of the new surface because of Firestone tyres being used in Indy racing on said new surface....
 
Westy, would it not have been prudent for Michelin to have done a little bit of research before going to Indianapolis? Given the resurfacing, this would've sent alarm bells ringing and I don't even work for a tyre manufacturer. IMO Michelin slipped up.
 
Westy, you'd have thought that a company like Michelin might at some point have checked on-line, read the sports news, and noticed that the track had been diamond-cut. This always leads to tyre issues, unless you take along a much harder compound. Sometimes you go too far with the harder compound (Goodyear, NASCAR tyres, Las Vegas, crashes a-plenty due to lower grip). Sometimes you don't go far enough. And then you get Michelin, who just brought their normal tyres along which were never going to be suitable especially given the loads involved in the banking.

Good thing that F1 used the infield circuit rather than the full oval, Michelin really would have been stuffed then!
 
I'd like to see multiple tyre manufacturers but i'd like to see the teams able to pick a different brand each race so they can chop and change more. It'd promote better tyre development as the better your tyre is the more teams will choose it and the better advertising you get as a result and it could really spice the races up a bit with teams swapping around.
 
Kenai said:
I'd like to see multiple tyre manufacturers but i'd like to see the teams able to pick a different brand each race so they can chop and change more. It'd promote better tyre development as the better your tyre is the more teams will choose it and the better advertising you get as a result and it could really spice the races up a bit with teams swapping around.
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That would go out from cost poiint of view alone - three different types of tyre for all cars , who do you think would pay for the un-used ones, its not like they can be automatically used at the next race!!!

Also that would just be like now, all teams being on the same rubber (even if it changes race to race), it wouldnt spice anything up as they would all know which was the best rubber to use from simulations and all run the same one

Im all for tyre company being chosen by individual teams, Indy 05 was a complete farce and I cant believe to this day how such a major company ****** up so badly
 
JRS said:
Windows ME?

Coca-Cola's new formula?

The Austin Allegro?

Plenty of big companies have stuffed up on occasion. Michelin were no different :)
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laughs - you have a point, but given the spectacle , the size of F1 (with TV especially) and the fact that Michelin are a supplier at the end of the day rather than something direct to the consumer (badly explained but I hope you realise where Im going :)) - it was on a wholly different level imo

(remember pc's at home where nowhere near the level of dominance they are now - and wwhile ME was a disaster, I cant see it actually mattering THAT much .........Coca-Cola hmmm complete and utter disaster but it didnt have the effect imo that a major sporting event basically didnt actually happen, yes it cost CC a gigantic amount of money but I doubt it really effected anyone outside the company.......Im not old enough to remember the AA so no comment (from a business perspective) :)

think of all the team suppliers, the audience, and everything else - there just seemed to be a HUGE ripple effect because of that one race and because a supplier ****** up so badly
 
Well, no, but to say that Ferrari are favourites, means that he has a lot of confidence in Ferrari being able to overcome the advantage that RedBull are currently enjoying.

During the wet races, the likes of Button, Hamilton, Alonso, etc were able to trounce the RedBulls, by using superior skill (in the wet) and strategies, but once we reach the dry races, RedBull will be very difficult to beat. We all saw just how difficult it is to overtake in the dry and assuming that RedBull continue to occupy the front row of the grid (in the dry), Ferrari and McLaren will find it difficult to get 25 points, unless they can gain time.

Also, Mercedes will be bringing a car which has been modified to suit MS, so this weekend should be very interesting. If MS still gets battered by Rosberg, then surely the writing has to be on the wall for MS.
 
JRS said:
Not likely to say "hey, we're up **** creek 'cause we can't make an engine last more than six minutes without grenading" was he? :D
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Considering how reliable Ferarri engines were last year it does seem a little odd that they've had problems this year - more likely to be a packaging issue that could be sorted, rather than a fundemental flaw.
 
sunama said:
If MS still gets battered by Rosberg, then surely the writing has to be on the wall for MS.
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Surely, assuming no other factors like getting taken out by someone else or a reliability issue. He's making all the right noises about being up for it though, and I don't think it'll be long before he starts fighting back provided that Mercedes car starts working for him rather than against him.
 
JRS, if you are top line driver, it is your job to get the most out of the car - irrespective of whether or not the car has been designed for you or not. This is the very definition of being a top line driver. If all drivers had cars tailor made to their preference, then any/all drivers would be able to win titles/races. Alonso, Button and Rosberg have all moved to new teams and all of them are competing as expected - in fact they are top3 in the championship.

The fact is that his team-mate is using the same equipment as him and is consistently getting better results.

Either way, we shall wait and see what happens in Barcelona. It could well be that, as if by magic, MS is on the pace, now that he has a car more suited to his preference.
 
sunama - how d'you he's not been getting the most out of that MGP W01 chassis number 03? A car that has been in a patched-together state since the Australian GP, and spent most of that race with a damaged floor following the Turn 1 mishap.

If Mercedes are to be believed, and he's been driving a starting money special for the last couple of races, then there's every chance that there really was nothing more in the car. Schumacher is a great driver. He's not a miracle worker. If he was, then maybe he'd have won more than three races in '96 with that pug-ugly and unreliable Ferrari F310.

As you say, we shall see in Barcelona hopefully.
 
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