***Official 2010 F1 thread***

stockhausen said:
I suspect that there are VERY few F1 drivers who are simply told the planned strategy for a race, get in the car and follow that strategy without understanding the thinking behind it - Raikonnen may be a rare exception ;).

I would find it very surprising if someone as professional as Alonso didn't have extensive discussion about strategy with the team before a race. I suppose that there is a remote possibility that he and his engineer decided on a strategy and then Briatore, Symonds and Piquet hatched a plan built around that strategy to "gift" Alonso first place without making him aware of their plans but it is pretty far-fetched to be honest.


However, whatever happens is certain to be based only on what can be proven and Alonso may escape yet again.
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Dont forget that the meeting in question took place on the morning of the race, after starting fuel loads had already been submitted to the FIA.
 
stockhausen said:
I suspect that there are VERY few F1 drivers who are simply told the planned strategy for a race, get in the car and follow that strategy without understanding the thinking behind it - Raikonnen may be a rare exception ;)..
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Im not suggesting that - but as has been proven last year and this , starting light and stopping early CAN work anyway, so why would Alonso necessarily think there was an "added" dimension to being given a stategy where he stopped early

I personally dont like Alonso - and he seems to be pretty close with Flav so the team may well have told Alonso, but its also quite possible that due to the above paragraph and Symonds/Flav knew they were on very dodgy ground they didnt tell Alonso because of what he threatened to do with McLaren

it can be discussed/ argued both ways, Alonso certainly didnt NEED to know for it still to appear a normal preparation / race

NightSt@lk3r said:
Dont forget that the meeting in question took place on the morning of the race, after starting fuel loads had already been submitted to the FIA.
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Very good point - all that was necessary was that Piquet was fuelled heavier than Alonso (more predictable where he would be in the right place on the track for the crash to be convenient for the win) - and the heavy fuel load was likely given how far back he was starting
 
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FrankJH said:
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Very good point - all that was necessary was that Piquet was fuelled heavier than Alonso (more predictable where he would be in the right place on the track for the crash to be convenient for the win) - and the heavy fuel load was likely given how far back he was starting
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Alonso & Piquet started 15th & 16th respectively on the grid.

The team decided to fuel Alonso very light and Piquet very heavy (differing strategies, not unreasonable) - and they hadn't at that time given any thought to the potential for Piquet to have an unfortunate incident on the corner that would make the introduction of a safety car essential?

Quite possible but awfully convenient and it certainly doesn't make Piquet's story any the less credible.


Still, Alonso should feel right at home at Ferrari, especially with the continued involvement of Scumshacker ;)
 
stockhausen said:
Alonso & Piquet started 15th & 16th respectively on the grid.

The team decided to fuel Alonso very light and Piquet very heavy (differing strategies, not unreasonable) - and they hadn't at that time given any thought to the potential for Piquet to have an unfortunate incident on the corner that would make the introduction of a safety car essential?

Quite possible but awfully convenient and it certainly doesn't make Piquet's story any the less credible.


Still, Alonso should feel right at home at Ferrari, especially with the continued involvement of Scumshacker ;)
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yur missing the main point - the fuel level was already submitted to FIA before the supposed meeting

So Alonso was already going to go light, which means tactics where already sorted for his race - any changes in those (or benfits to him) didnt need to be informed before the race

its more of a detriment to Alonso (especially with his Latin heritage, which as proven is fiery) if he IS told esp just before a race
 
Peg said:
Renault are taking legal action against Piquet and his father.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/11092009/58/renault-sue-piquets.html
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Of course they should if the men in charge are lieing to them, Renault should go after any person that ruins their name.

I hope after a full enquiry and the truth comes out renault continue to sue the arse off anyone who brings their name into bad light.

Wicksta said:
Lots more leaked info regarding Renault here:
http://axisofoversteer.com/blog/documents/Fit Of PK.pdf

They are screwed. Symonds comes out of that interview looking like a guilty man.
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Thats a totally damning read. The FIA transcript when this goes to court will be a facinating read.
 
Symmonds sounds very dodgy, if he had nothing to hide, he would have answered all the questions? Also the re-applying of full throttle is dodgy.

Going to be a long one this...
 
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stockhausen said:
I dare say.

However, I am not convinced that Renault, Briatore or Symonds are the appropriate authorities to launch Criminal proceedings.

Perhaps you know different :confused:
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That's the way it's done in France.

They have also reported the case to the UK Police who will decide if it is worth pursuing, which is how we do it here.
 
Im not sure what Renault / Flav and Symonds hope to gain from the lawsuit though

I understand either way its criminal from the Piquets to do this - but its keeping the "Renault" name in the news for very bad reasons (and if anything just made it even more high profile) - which is only bad news for them / their jobs imo

I cant believe how badly advised Piquet Senior has been in all this , yes its his son thats the main protagonist but Snr is still a big name in the sport and how to ruin your name in 5 minutes after years of dedication - it seems stupid
 
FrankJH said:
Im not sure what Renault / Flav and Symonds hope to gain from the lawsuit though

I understand either way its criminal from the Piquets to do this - but its keeping the "Renault" name in the news for very bad reasons (and if anything just made it even more high profile) - which is only bad news for them / their jobs imo

I cant believe how badly advised Piquet Senior has been in all this , yes its his son thats the main protagonist but Snr is still a big name in the sport and how to ruin your name in 5 minutes after years of dedication - it seems stupid
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Doesn't this very much depend on the outcome of whats happened?

If NP is lying then they can show in a court that he has tried to blackmail and devalue Renaults name.

However if NP isn't lying then surly all these law suites are goign to come back to bite FB on the rear??????
 
Flavio is now suggesting that Nelson is gay? This was apparently taken by a Brazilian website from an audio interview with Flav (in Italian - the audio is on the page if anyone here speaks Italian):

http://jovempan.uol.com.br/formula-1/noticia/briatore+baixa+o+nivel+e+ataca+nelsinho-172750,,0

Translation of clip (from an Autosport bb member):
"He [Nelsinho Piquet] accused me of breaking a relationship with a friend. But his papa (Nelson Piquet) asked me to intervene.
Nelsinho lived with this older man, and the kind of relationship they had was unknown. His dad was extremely worried and we had him moved from Oxford to London in a building I was living in so he could be under control."

The mud is really going to start to fly.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
Doesn't this very much depend on the outcome of whats happened?

If NP is lying then they can show in a court that he has tried to blackmail and devalue Renaults name.

However if NP isn't lying then surly all these law suites are goign to come back to bite FB on the rear??????
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Given the posted Stewards interview with Symonds something similar to what has been alledged has gone on during that race otherwise why refuse to answer!!!

(but in general I completely agree with you) ;)

Im too tired lol - I cant think of all the permutations (in some ways there is no blackmail material possible IF the race fixing is found NOT to be true, so both cases collapse - Renaults name is still mud in the sport though for some time I would think)

Wicksta said:
Flavio is now suggesting that Nelson is gay? This was apparently taken by a Brazilian website from an audio interview with Flav (in Italian - the audio is on the page if anyone here speaks Italian):

http://jovempan.uol.com.br/formula-1/noticia/briatore+baixa+o+nivel+e+ataca+nelsinho-172750,,0

Translation of clip (from an Autosport bb member):
"He [Nelsinho Piquet] accused me of breaking a relationship with a friend. But his papa (Nelson Piquet) asked me to intervene.
Nelsinho lived with this older man, and the kind of relationship they had was unknown. His dad was extremely worried and we had him moved from Oxford to London in a building I was living in so he could be under control."

The mud is really going to start to fly.
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Counter - suit (slander again I would think) lol
 
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