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I don't believe anyone's life was put at risk. F1 drivers are almost never injured in real crashes, I think it's quite obvious that a driver of Nelson Piquet's talent* could pull off a crash without endagering himself or anyone else.
And what if one of his wheels had come loose and whacked a following driver on the head, Henry Surtees style?

Or what if some debris from his crash had caused tyre damage on another car which then led to a serious crash later in the race?

True, the teams may object but as we're all too aware, what the FIA wants, the FIA gets.
What, like an optional $40 budget cap next year you mean? ;)
 
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*clears throat...*

Aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
*gasps for breath*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Renault caught cheating for the second time in under 2 years... guilty the first time with no penalty was suspect - if they get no penalty for this they it's corruption of the highest degree.

Anything less than a $100'000'000 fine, exclusion from the constructors championship and 2 years on probation is unacceptable.

They should be excluded from the 2008 and 2009 seasons, for sure.

The £100,000,000 fine McLaren got for Spygate sets the benchmark and that was "only" for spying! What Renault have done pales in comparison!
 
The £100,000,000 fine McLaren got for Spygate sets the benchmark and that was "only" for spying! What Renault have done pales in comparison!

Exactly. For the sake of consistency (a rare thing where the FIA is concerned of course) they need to throw the book, the bookcase and the library at Renault over this.
 
Think you mean McLaren's actions pale in comparison to Renaults :)

I agree with you - if Renault get anything less than McLaren did in 2007, it'll be a total farce.
 
Exactly. For the sake of consistency (a rare thing where the FIA is concerned of course) they need to throw the book, the bookcase and the library at Renault over this.

Con-sis-tan-cy?
Definition: The ability to overlook overwhelming evidence to impose no penalty on people we like.
 
Even if they are banned, can't another buyer just buy the whole team and continue like they did?
In other words who or what will they punish by excluding Renault?

I think it will be the end of the team if they get a 100 million+ fine as I think that ING were already leaving at the end of this season.
 
Meh, it's probably for the best. Can you imagine the sheer amount of bile coming from dannyjo22's keyboard if Massa (WORST FERRARI DRIVER EVAR!!!1111oneoneone) did actually win a title?

Worst driver but best chimp to drive for ferrari in the last 20 years. That has to be worth something considering the drivers they have employeed in the last 20 years ;)

I'd be more excited to have revealed some of the cheating thats gone on at ferrari and some of the driver dealings over there since 1996 :D

Exactly. For the sake of consistency (a rare thing where the FIA is concerned of course) they need to throw the book, the bookcase and the library at Renault over this.

Whatever gets thrown at Renault, Renault should then throw Flav and Symmonds way. I would hope they sue the backsides off them both.

Sure everyone knows the double dealings and cheating that have gone on for years in F1, but the teams seemed to have been happy to take on all this new technology but not realise that the methods for catching them have improved as well. The public are becoming less and less likely to put up with a sport where it's constantly reported the shennanigans that go on.

Any of these drivers could reveal some huge info on these teams. I imagine Rubens could write his own encyclopedia.

The FIA for a start should never have allowed the team boss to be a drivers manager. The conflict of interest is too high. I'm very happy to see the back of both of them.

The ban for Renault will be tiny, a meaningless penalty for 2007 and 2008, the kind of insignificant penalty they gave MS in 97. They won't risk them walking.
 
I know, I know, I'm late on the bandwagon but..

Renault splits with Briatore, Symonds
Renault F1 has parted company with team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds over the race-fixing allegations made by its former driver Nelson Piquet Jr.

Piquet has accused Briatore and Symonds of asking him to help secure victory for his then team-mate Fernando Alonso in last year’s Singapore Grand Prix by crashing and triggering a safety car period that played perfectly into Alonso’s hands.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, Renault said it would not contest that charge when it appears before the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council next Monday.

It added that Briatore and Symonds had now left the team.

“The ING Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix,” the statement said.

“It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore, and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team.

“Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 21 September 2009, the team will not make any further comment.”

Renault had been given a deadline of today to put in its official defence submissions to the FIA ahead of next Monday’s WMSC hearing.

Its decision not to do so appears to amount to an admission that it conspired to cause a deliberate crash for its own competitive benefit – an offence that FIA president Max Mosley said last weekend would be even more serious than cheating or race-fixing because it put human lives at risk.

Mosley said that if Renault were to be found guilty, a severe penalty would be warranted and the World Motor Sport Council could go as far as banning the team from Formula 1 for all time.

“It could be anything up to disqualification,” he said.

“Because that's what's set out in the [International Sporting Code].

“Disqualification means you are out, finished.

“Out. Total. Exclusion forever, gone, finished.

“That is the worst that could happen.”

The race-fixing allegations came to light shortly after Piquet was fired by Renault for failing to hit performance targets.

Only last Friday Renault announced that it, and Briatore, had launched criminal proceedings against Piquet for making “false allegations” and attempting to blackmail the team into retaining him.

Piquet’s three-time world champion father approached Mosley with the allegations after the Hungarian Grand Prix and his 23-year-old son made a statement to the FIA on July 30.

He announced his split from Renault four days later, launching a fierce attack on Briatore – his manager as well as team boss – who he labelled his “executioner”.

After receiving the testimony from Piquet Jr, the FIA launched an investigation into the claims and interviewed Briatore, Symonds and other team members at the Belgian Grand Prix.

Piquet’s statement and key evidence such as telemetry data and radio transmissions were leaked to the media in the lead-up to last weekend’s Monza event.

In an apparent attempt to isolate Briatore, the FIA has offered Symonds immunity from punishment at the WMSC hearing in return for full disclosure of the facts pertaining to the Singapore incident – having promised the same to Piquet before the Brazilian made his statement.

It is not known whether Symonds has taken up the FIA’s offer, nor whether he and Briatore will now appear at the hearing in view of their departure from the team.

So both clearly guilty and Renault will not contest.
With both being sacked and not contesting. Do you really thing they will be banned? I just can't see it. Another huge fine and tight regulations like McLaren.

Roll on the end of the month for the case.
 

Why don't people like him?



The last sentence doesn't make sense and to be fair, you'd really want overlays of say, the last 5 - 10 laps to be sure he did something different on that lap in order to crash. Not saying he didn't but its hardly conclusive.
 
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http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5562633,00.html

Full transcript of Pit Comms. (sorry if pearoast)

Nothing in there would implicate Flav or Symonds.
Possibly not, it would be highly unlikely that Briatore would yell out "Good lad Nelsinho, you've got it right for once!"

Whatever; Briatore and Symonds are history which they would hardly be if there wasn't some pretty conclusive evidence against them.
 
I have huge respect for Richards from WRC and reallly dont understand what went so (drastically) wrong with BAR, for whatever reason I would actually like him to get another chance at a "rejuvinated" Renault (Im not sure they could call it that though - maybe do another "benetton" and call it after the main sponsor instead of the engine manufacturer)

Whether they get rid of Flav and /or Symonds - the team deserve a gigantic fine (larger than McLaren)

Is the fact that they are an engine manufacturer rather than any other team (and the "fall guys" are already gone ) going to save them? IF thats the case that is complete double standards imo - after all McLaren as such arent an engine supplier all though they are the "title " brand -and where even more so in 2007.

Or will it come down to dear old max really hating Ron Denis - and not detesting Flav so much (even though Flav has gone since charges where raised)?
 
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Whether they get rid of Flav and /or Symonds - the team deserve a gigantic fine (larger than McLaren)
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Or will it come down to dear old max really hating Ron Denis - and not detesting Flav so much (even though Flav has gone since charges where raised)?
I think that Briatore and Symonds are definitely history now and by all accounts, Mosley has about as much love for Briatore as for Ron Dennis.
 
I have huge respect for Richards from WRC and reallly dont understand what went so (drastically) wrong with BAR,

He put Jenson on a pay for points contract and then refused to pay him after Jenson had the season where he scored a bucket load of points.

Jensons manager went to the press, Jenson secured a drive elsewhere and Honda removed Richards. Jenson then paid his contract out with williams.

'Someone' went to the FIA about BARs fuel tank.
 
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5562633,00.html

Full transcript of Pit Comms. (sorry of pearoast)

I liked:

Flavio Briatore: "The problem is Trulli."
Engineer: "Yeah, it's Trulli. I mean he's three seconds slower than Heidfeld."
Pat Symonds: "Yep."

LOL.

Even the teams get frustrated as to how slow Trulli goes during the race. Whats shocking is that he seems to have great ability when driving defensively, which means that he is slow and prevents faster cars behind him from overtaking.

I remember last year, I asked the question as to why Trulli is so fast in qualifying, yet so slow during the race. I think the best answer someone came up with was, "If we knew the answer to that, our heads would explode!" (or similar)
 
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